I live in Norway and me and my family do not eat farmed fish - for multiple reasons; political, ecological, animal cruelty etc.
A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon. Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development. And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the feed, farmed salmon would be gray.
I could go on the whole day about this stuff. The whole thing is just sad.
> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon.
Why would you think that? Ground beef typically has higher saturated fat than even farmed salmon and a lot less omega-3.
A hamburger adds a refined carbohydrate bun and sauces on top of that.
I think your political beliefs are overriding factual accuracy.
> And the color is fake, if they do not add coloring to the food, farmed salmon would be gray.
The color isn’t “fake”. It comes from Asataxanthin. Wild fish get it from food they eat. Farmed fish might get it from microalgae-derived sources. Why would it be “fake” if it’s the same chemical? They’re just feeding the farmed salmon the nutrients they need.
Astaxanthin is also sold separately as a supplement because people seek it out, too. It’s not some evil fake chemical dye. The wild salmon naturally eat it, too.
Absolutely valid to attack the political beliefs here. Farmed fish is somehow considered ecologically harmful but it's significantly less harmful than overfishing and allows for bringing extremely efficient, healthy food to the continental interior, which has the potential to reduce heart disease without medication.
It's so narrow-minded to treat farmed fish as some moral failing.
Sushi in the middle of the desert (for example in Las Vegas) is and has never been ecological sustainable.
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> Howdy, My ability to upvote comments was, for reasons unspecified, suspended. After a brief interaction with dang, it was temporarily restored. Then, again for unknown reasons, was suspended once again. So don't expect an upvote from me. I simply can't.
> Bravo, you spineless worm, salmon shill bastards.
And he wonders why.
Gee, you might want to look in the mirror of your own words: "upvote"
How would suppressing upvotes solve the occasional appropriately hostile comment to other hostile comments? That does not even make sense, just as the mythical demon burger you conjured from the dark depths of cognitive ineptitude, makes no sense.
I also happen to mention, in the trimmed parameters of your selective excerpt, that I rarely downvote. Suppressing the ability to upvote has no plausible such effect as you imply. Allow me to put it, gently, in perspective for you: Indolent Opportunism. Similar to your mythical hamburger creation. It's fine to hate hamburgers, but have some epistemic integrity on the side.
> A hamburger probably has a better nutritional value than farmed salmon.
A sensational statement that is utterly false.
Per 100g, Norwegian farmed salmon has 0.1x the sodium, 0.5x the saturated fat, 2x the protein, 20x the Omega-3 fatty acids and infinity-x the vitamin D of your hamburger.
Farmed salmon is a minimally processed single-ingredient protein, while your hamburger is ultra-processed and packed with refined carbs, added sugar and high-fructose corn syrup and chemicals synthesized in a lab.
> Children and pregnant women should also limit the intake because it can disrupt development.
Presumably you're talking about growth hormones?
Because that American fast-food hamburger has plenty of growth hormones.
Under Norwegian law and European Union/EEA regulations, the use of growth hormones in fish farming is strictly illegal.
cooked salmon and cooked ground beef seem to have similar amounts of protein per my cursory research.
A hamburger would have a bun at least. We're not comparing filets to patties... which could also contain additions like onion or egg.
Pardon, but how the hell is my hamburger packed with preservatives? And how, other than grinding, is it ultra processed, especially if the beef was given to me by a local rancher? I do not understand? And where the hell did the corn syrup come from? I never put Aunt Jemima on my burgers? Not even brown sugar.
Where in the
- Grass-fed beef
- Sourdough bun
- Lettuce
- Tomato
- Onion
Is all this stuff you cite? Any condiment in the known realm of terrestrial cuisine -- and even adult websites -- can be used on fish just as readily as a burger.
That’s not what “a hamburger” consists of for most of the population. I’d guess <0.1% of hamburger eaters are grinding their own meat and using sourdough. The average burger has preservatives on the bun, meat, ketchup, mustard, pickles, lots of sugar and other additives, a ton of condiments, and likely made of lower quality grain fed meat.
That makes “a hamburger is healthier than salmon” wildly incorrect as a generic statement.
Respectfully, allow me to make subtle, but not insubstantial correction:
"“a hamburger is healthier than salmon”"
to
“a hamburger is healthier than farm raised salmon”
That holds closer to the actual context.
I admit, the ultimate truth of whether a burger is technically healthier than farm raised salmon, is questionable. In my opinion, in either direction, but will concede that.
That said, had the parent stated that opting for a salad might be the healthier option, the argument of absent vitamin D would be a bit less compelling than it already is. One does not expect every conceivable nutrient from every meal. I do not support culinary dictatorship either, and for some, I remain convinced that a quality burger may, for some, be the healthier choice. But that was also not the premise of my argument. My argument was against the erroneous framing of "hamburger", to imply by decree of prejudice, that condiments and cheap bread define "hamburger". I have not been to a fastfood restaurant since the 1980s. I boycotted McDonald's as an 11 year-old. 'Billions Served' but not me.
For someone who wants to promote farm raised salmon, the argument against the parent could have been much more fair. And the fact that the parent was turning gray, compelled me to defend it with some measure of balance. And since I cannot upvote...
I will also address the anachronistic absurdity of ex post facto time-travel justice as indicated by the other comment -- I cannot be punished in the past for what I do in the future. By their own causal reasoning, maybe farm raised is not so healthy after all, as it appears to have potentially negative effects on one's reasoning capacity. It's 2026; we aren't time traveling quite yet... or, wait.. That really doesn't make sense. OK, I yield. It's time traveling. Burgers are bad. Farm raised salmon good.
Peace
Perfectly valid point actually, not sure why you are in gray.
Appreciated, and I apologize not to the target-audience for my other vulgar comment, but to yourself and anyone else who may disagree with me, but at least has the dignity to stand by reason.
One has to wonder why anyone would want to make such a comment invisible, as if they could not see it was already generally suppressed. That is essentially flagging. For a comment that made no false claim or insult. So while I am embarrassed for those who might defend me, I am not deleting my ugly comment. That is the type of comment that might actually deserve flagging, and it was also sincere.
On land we abandoned the hunter/gatherer system for farming thousands of years ago.
Because it just doesn't scale! It can feed 50-100 million people at most.
Maybe we need to empty the oceans of wild fish before we make that transition for seafood, but I hope it can happen a bit more quickly.
Astaxanthin for the color fair. What about the salmon is bad for pregnant women?
Fatty fish accumulates heavy metales and other unhealthy components and pregnant women in Norway is told to limit the intake. But it has been controversial, the industry is not happy with these recommendations!
I can see this being sensible regarding, for example, swordfish, which is long lived apex predator. They get the bio accumulation of everything they eat. Farm salmon has a short life and a controlled diet. Where would they get heavy metals?
From what I understand the fjord are relatively enclosed ecosystems and tend to accumulate stuff from the human acitivies around it
Can you link to those recommendations? I can't find anything on the Norwegian public health sites specifically about farmed salmon.
From their food and over time, I assume? Since farmed salmon is fed and live a short life I would also assume that it has lower pollution levels than wild fish of similar size and composition.
You are exactly wrong. Farmed salmon has very high levels of heavy metals and PCB because the water where they are farmed is slow moving accumulate pollution. Wild ocean fish swim in the open ocean where overall pollution is less. That’s why if you buy omega 3 tablets it needs to be from ocean fish otherwise you’re getting a high level of toxic chemicals.
I thought this was true for tuna and somewhat never registered it might be true for salmon too. I need to look this up and update, thank you.
Generally speaking, heavy metals accumulate as you move up the food chain, so it will be true for any large fish.
Growth hormones. It’s better now than some years ago, but still. Some claim the do not use them at all.
And they use a lot of antibiotics.
And there is some accumulation of dioxins and PCBs in the fat due to the feed, but this has also been approved somewhat.
>Some claim the do not use them at all.
It is against the law in most if not all EU countries. It is also the dispute between US and EU agriculture trade.
FWIW, Norway is not a member of the EU - if that is what you are implying.
If that is not your point, I apologize, but then I don’t see the connection (maybe you could elaborate?)
But Norway is part of the EEA and is therefore bound by many EU regulations.
> Astaxanthin for the color fair.
Why is it fair? Wild salmon also consume astaxanthin.
It’s like complaining that the farmers are bad for trying to mimic the fish’s natural diet.
Farmed salmon meat is pink, whereas wild salmon meat is white/greyish. A dull color.
They don’t put the coloring in the food to emulate natural food sources. They do it because it looks more appealing to most consumers.
I dont know what the fuck u r talking bout.