Getting excited about Elon claims is foolish. His fab will go nowhere similar to his endless battery claims. It’s just another Musk attempt to grab federal subsidies.
Yeah, similar situation for me. All the promises of an optimistic sci-fi future become hollow when one remembers that the person espousing them is openly and actively opposed to those optimistic ideals.
Even just the disingenuous boosting of obvious lies that are convenient to his worldview (claiming genuine curiosity), by a supposedly intelligent man, is gross enough.
It has me wonder how much he wants those futures or just knows they are very good vehicles for fundraising, because his personal business model seems to be more based on fundraising and stock price than profits.
Ever since the pivot to having SpaceX go public, claiming Mars plans would be taking a back seat, and burdening SpaceX with X, I am convinced it is just about fundraising. He broke pretty much every promise about SpaceX's long term ambition.
Maybe he did once believe in these things, but he has definitely changed on that now.
I'm going to assume good faith on your part, and that you're ignorant of specific things Elon has said and done in support of white supremacy in general, and promoting antisemitism in particular.
Elon has frequently lied about George Soros paying activists, and espoused the "white replacement theory", which is that Jews are conspiring to "dilute" and replace the white population.
He has also platformed literal white supremacists on X -- at the same time he has silenced his own critics. If Elon isn't a literal Nazi, he supports ideologies that are 100% compatible with Nazism.
I find it telling that both of those sources (one of which cites the other btw) conflate posts about "race science" and posts that are "anti-immigration conspiracies". These are not remotely the same thing. Elon is clearly against immigration policies enacted by a large number of western countries, a stance which does not make one a Nazi or white supremacist.
Also in that Guardian article the evidence given for him being an anti-semite are that he unbanned people on Twitter and that he supports the AfD and told the country to get over its "past guilt" (a two-word quote btw is a sign of journalistic malfeasance, if you can't fit the context of a quote in your article then don't include the quote at all).
So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I think you and MANY others should probably have a significantly higher bar for calling someone a white supremacist or a Nazi given all that such a statement implies.
Here's some explicit promotion of white supremacy for you: Elon quote tweeting -- to over 43 million views, including many people who only saw it because Elon ordered the algorithm changed to promote his tweets! -- the following:
"If White men become a minority, we will be slaughtered. Remember, if non-Whites openly hate White men while White men hold a collective majority, then they will be 1000x times more hostile and cruel when they are a majority over Whites. White solidarity is the only way to"
Referring to all "non-whites" as violent brutes who would indiscriminately kill all white people is white supremacist thinking. It's a necessary part of white people justifying control of, and violence against, people of color.
> So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I assume you are an intelligent person. That makes playing dumb like this so frustrating. If you don't think the sources I cited are convincing, I would urge you to do even five minutes of googling and see if you could find the evidence that has somehow eluded you so far. It is not hard to find.
PS I belatedly realize you did not even acknowledge Musk's Nazi salute. Perhaps you don't think that's anti-semitic, either.
I dunno, I read through their good faith post, and I judge it to be pretty convincing.
Sorry you don't feel the same way, but I guess no matter what someone says, there will always be at least 1 individual who disagrees with it or simply doesn't like it.
Getting excited about Elon claims is foolish. His fab will go nowhere similar to his endless battery claims. It’s just another Musk attempt to grab federal subsidies.
Yeah, similar situation for me. All the promises of an optimistic sci-fi future become hollow when one remembers that the person espousing them is openly and actively opposed to those optimistic ideals.
Even just the disingenuous boosting of obvious lies that are convenient to his worldview (claiming genuine curiosity), by a supposedly intelligent man, is gross enough.
It has me wonder how much he wants those futures or just knows they are very good vehicles for fundraising, because his personal business model seems to be more based on fundraising and stock price than profits.
Ever since the pivot to having SpaceX go public, claiming Mars plans would be taking a back seat, and burdening SpaceX with X, I am convinced it is just about fundraising. He broke pretty much every promise about SpaceX's long term ambition.
Maybe he did once believe in these things, but he has definitely changed on that now.
Pie-in-the-ski, "humanity needs this so we survive the next 10,000 years" ideas are not good vehicles for fundraising.
Depends on your crowd. He doesnt often sell them as 10,000 year Long Now projects but that he'll achieve 10,000 year projects in 2 years.
I feel like you should have a much higher bar for the label of Nazi than you clearly do.
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I'm going to assume good faith on your part, and that you're ignorant of specific things Elon has said and done in support of white supremacy in general, and promoting antisemitism in particular.
A quick Google produces a pretty good summary: https://share.google/aimode/rL9lSxwPyJaxdFsap
There's also his history of obsessing about race, especially "preserving" the white race: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/12/elon-musk...
Elon has frequently lied about George Soros paying activists, and espoused the "white replacement theory", which is that Jews are conspiring to "dilute" and replace the white population.
He has also platformed literal white supremacists on X -- at the same time he has silenced his own critics. If Elon isn't a literal Nazi, he supports ideologies that are 100% compatible with Nazism.
I find it telling that both of those sources (one of which cites the other btw) conflate posts about "race science" and posts that are "anti-immigration conspiracies". These are not remotely the same thing. Elon is clearly against immigration policies enacted by a large number of western countries, a stance which does not make one a Nazi or white supremacist.
Also in that Guardian article the evidence given for him being an anti-semite are that he unbanned people on Twitter and that he supports the AfD and told the country to get over its "past guilt" (a two-word quote btw is a sign of journalistic malfeasance, if you can't fit the context of a quote in your article then don't include the quote at all).
So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I think you and MANY others should probably have a significantly higher bar for calling someone a white supremacist or a Nazi given all that such a statement implies.
Here's some explicit promotion of white supremacy for you: Elon quote tweeting -- to over 43 million views, including many people who only saw it because Elon ordered the algorithm changed to promote his tweets! -- the following:
"If White men become a minority, we will be slaughtered. Remember, if non-Whites openly hate White men while White men hold a collective majority, then they will be 1000x times more hostile and cruel when they are a majority over Whites. White solidarity is the only way to"
Referring to all "non-whites" as violent brutes who would indiscriminately kill all white people is white supremacist thinking. It's a necessary part of white people justifying control of, and violence against, people of color.
> So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I assume you are an intelligent person. That makes playing dumb like this so frustrating. If you don't think the sources I cited are convincing, I would urge you to do even five minutes of googling and see if you could find the evidence that has somehow eluded you so far. It is not hard to find.
PS I belatedly realize you did not even acknowledge Musk's Nazi salute. Perhaps you don't think that's anti-semitic, either.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2009171282030653877
I dunno, I read through their good faith post, and I judge it to be pretty convincing.
Sorry you don't feel the same way, but I guess no matter what someone says, there will always be at least 1 individual who disagrees with it or simply doesn't like it.
Anyways, have a good day, fellow HN poster.