I find it telling that both of those sources (one of which cites the other btw) conflate posts about "race science" and posts that are "anti-immigration conspiracies". These are not remotely the same thing. Elon is clearly against immigration policies enacted by a large number of western countries, a stance which does not make one a Nazi or white supremacist.
Also in that Guardian article the evidence given for him being an anti-semite are that he unbanned people on Twitter and that he supports the AfD and told the country to get over its "past guilt" (a two-word quote btw is a sign of journalistic malfeasance, if you can't fit the context of a quote in your article then don't include the quote at all).
So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I think you and MANY others should probably have a significantly higher bar for calling someone a white supremacist or a Nazi given all that such a statement implies.
Here's some explicit promotion of white supremacy for you: Elon quote tweeting -- to over 43 million views, including many people who only saw it because Elon ordered the algorithm changed to promote his tweets! -- the following:
"If White men become a minority, we will be slaughtered. Remember, if non-Whites openly hate White men while White men hold a collective majority, then they will be 1000x times more hostile and cruel when they are a majority over Whites. White solidarity is the only way to"
Referring to all "non-whites" as violent brutes who would indiscriminately kill all white people is white supremacist thinking. It's a necessary part of white people justifying control of, and violence against, people of color.
> So, that's really extremely underwhelming evidence and honestly I'd appreciate a more critical reading of the source material you've provided.
I assume you are an intelligent person. That makes playing dumb like this so frustrating. If you don't think the sources I cited are convincing, I would urge you to do even five minutes of googling and see if you could find the evidence that has somehow eluded you so far. It is not hard to find.
PS I belatedly realize you did not even acknowledge Musk's Nazi salute. Perhaps you don't think that's anti-semitic, either.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2009171282030653877
> Referring to all "non-whites" as violent brutes who would indiscriminately kill all white people is white supremacist thinking. It's a necessary part of white people justifying control of, and violence against, people of color.
To be clear, I think that person Elon quote-tweeted seems pretty racist from looking at their post history. However I failed to see where that particular quote referred to all non-white people as "brutes". The idea being communicated is clearly "if non-Whites openly hate White men while White men hold a collective majority, then they will be 1000x times more hostile and cruel when they are a majority over Whites."
That is clearly an argument from statistics not universalality. I'm not interested in debating those particular statistics, but again your critical reading skills are not up to snuff.
> I assume you are an intelligent person. That makes playing dumb like this so frustrating.
I fail to see in my previous post how I am playing dumb. I think you might think that your own position is so overwhelming obvious that you cannot conceive of someone disagreeing on reasonable grounds, and yet that's exactly what I'm doing.
> PS I belatedly realize you did not even acknowledge Musk's Nazi salute. Perhaps you don't think that's anti-semitic, either.
Honestly, I think so many people were calling him a Nazi at the time that he just did it to fuel the trolls . Maybe you don't think that public figures fuck with people like that, but it sure seems like they do to me.
EDIT: as I've said elsewhere I think there should be a very high bar to actually think that someone is an actual Nazi. Hyperbole is all well and good, but people are dead serious when they say these things and that's actually insane to me
> Honestly, I think so many people were calling him a Nazi at the time that he just did it to fuel the trolls
If your reaction to being called a Nazi is to behave like a Nazi, then perhaps you actually have Nazi sympathies. Honestly, that "reasoning" can be used to justify literally ANY behavior. The "I was just kidding bro" defense is intellectually dishonest because it cannot be disproven. What if Elon said, "I am a white supremacist" but then winks afterwards? Would that be enough plausible deniability?
What if he supported a political party in Germany that wanted to ban immigrants based on their religion, and even deport naturalized citizens based on their religion? Oh wait, he already does! But again, you will pretend that this is not evidence of any kind of bias based on race or religion -- or, if it is, that he is simply "trolling the libs".
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62q937y029o
I dunno, I read through their good faith post, and I judge it to be pretty convincing.
Sorry you don't feel the same way, but I guess no matter what someone says, there will always be at least 1 individual in the world who disagrees with it or simply doesn't like it.
Anyways, have a good day, fellow HN poster.
I think there's a few more than just 1 in this case