I’m pretty sure Kagi’s entire pitch is that they’re an alternate and original dataset. Theirs is the only search engine whose data isn’t based upon google or bing’s databases.

To anyone who didn’t find Kagi useful in the past, I strongly recommend you try it again, as they have made huge strides in usability and quality of surfaced data in just the past year…. Huge strides since even a few months ago too, with more adaptive curation, data labeling, and UI/UX

> I’m pretty sure Kagi’s entire pitch is that they’re an alternate and original dataset. Theirs is the only search engine whose data isn’t based upon google or bing’s databases.

It's not. In addition to their own indexes the results include calls to "all major search result providers worldwide"[1].

There are independent search engines that only use their own index, like Mojeek[1]. Kagi is explicitly something like a search engine aggregator.

[1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm... [2]: https://www.mojeek.com/

Kagi is mostly based on Bing and Google results, officially by API and not scraped, and ranked by there own mechanism I think.

Kagi was using Yandex, it comes up on every Kagi post here. Seems that they've removed that info from their site now though...

Officially Kagi pays SerpAPI to scrape Google for them, since Google doesn't have an API they'll let Kagi use.

Interesting. So this means the new google.com/goto will exclude Kagi from the results?

Not necessarily, as evidenced by TFA, whose scraper still seems to work even after it visits each individual SERP entry to harvest the URLs.

But Kagi’s SERP API provider is going to have to adapt, I guess.