I compared the writing style of Opus 5 vs Fable 5, and Opus 5 continues many of the "Claude-isms" of its 4.8 predecessor in a way that Fable broke away from.
Opus 5 still uses "carry the argument", "worth stating plainly", ", and the trap", "The X matters more", the use of "move"
We need an "annoying English" benchmark.
- Fable 5 Max: https://gist.github.com/deet/3d97f854b48eac6658d642fa18bb24d...
- Opus 5 Max: https://gist.github.com/deet/1a43693a732dfccb4d0d914bfc42692...
Fable might be using those phrases less, but its writing is still terrible and exhausting to read.
Agreed. I’ve interestingly found 5.6 sol to produce much better writing, and it can generally cut to the point much more effectively.
Opus 4.6 remains unbeatable in my book. Fun to talk to. Fable felt very human.
Could these complex/hard to read Fable outputs be sign of some kind of industrial level of intelligence, which us humans may have a hard to comprehend, while it may be also hard for machine to use simpler texts to properly outline all nuances and complexities of concepts it output?
I've increasingly felt like Fable and I speak different dialects of English...
Fable subagents communicate very effectively with one another, so this would be a reasonable take imo
I think a signature Claude style of writing is good since it makes it that much harder to pass off Claude written text as human.
I've found Opus 4.8 and Fable 5 both difficult to learn from purely because of how annoying their writing style is. I'm finding GPT 5.6 Sol to be much better for this.
I found 4.6 more amenable than 4.8 to style directions, we'll see how 5.0 does. Super-small-sample-size: I think part of its "Claude-ism" style comes from its propensity to try and "proactively" move the conversation/work along. Not sure how this would fare in non-obviously-productive environments, I'd guess "it's still annoying" considering your evidence.
I'm also thinking of another benchmark: (quantified) stylistic range across different prompts. Just putting it out there if anyone wants to do the work for me :D
I’m pretty sure Opus 5 is adapted to tricks from long reasoning in Kimi K3 and based on original Opus 4.8. It is not fable in any form.
Seems unlikely they adapted anything from K3 given the timeline of releases, similar to how K3 was obviously not distilled from fable