> ones who have been involved in abuse scandals in the past (Churches, Scouts, etc)
And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools which do a lot less training and enforcement of youth protection policies.
Children are still safer in Scouts and churches than in schools.
Just about every kid goes to school though, so people just prefer to sweep that under the rug and focus on targeting organizations they are not a part of or disagree with because they're easier to demonize and make fun of.
I work with kids, and I've had to take the Scouts and Catholic Church's youth protection training. They are both free to take online if anyone wants to check it out.
>And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools
Is that in absolute terms, or per child who frequents the establishment?
> rates
So something like 1 per 100,000; which of course is still 1 too many.
(The other comments in other branches seem to prove my point. I am not defending any institution by the way. No one should be covering up crimes and/or allowing criminals to victimize people further.)
"Rate" is an ambiguous word. Molested children per year is a rate just as molested children per total children is.
>something like 1 per 100,000
What is this? What number are you citing, and where are you getting it from?
I've never heard anyone say that a rate is ambiguous.
It seems like you're trying to be disingenuous, first with "rate", now with my clearly-arbitrary example of rate.
> something like
A rate is just a ratio between two quantities. You've never heard speed defined as the rate of movement?
I might have interpreted your example as such if not for the "one too many" comment. It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real.
No, it seems more like you are being disingenuous. All you have to do is drop a link to the rates you’re referring to. Instead you’re just arguing semantics. Where’s the receipts?
> something like
I thought adding "for example" at the end was just unnecessary redundancy, but I guess I was wrong.
I still don't understand why the other person is trying to cross-examine me on the definition of "rate" or whatever though. That is the person arguing semantics, not me... (Same with you, except you're going one step further and trying to gaslight me.)
I'm curious, do you have something against churches and/or Scouts?
And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools
What evidence do you have of this? The only sources I can find that would even vaguely support your claim switch to talking about physical abuse in schools, or sexual assault committed by fellow students.
To be clear, we're discussing the sexual assault of children by adults here. We're not talking about physical abuse, nor are we talking about assault by fellow students.
Does the school work to cover it up to the same extent? Are people across the school in on it? Are the rates of abuse higher on a per capita basis?
Why are you making apologies for (Catholic) church sex abuse? Because you are a member and you took a training? Yikes.
Where did you see apologies?
I read it basically as “schools are even worse than churches and scouts yet are overlooked,” nothing apologizing for the churches.
"demonization" of the church?
Ironic phrasing, given the Catholic Church wants authority to decide what is demonic while acting like demons. Why is the comment so plainly aggrieved? Is the Catholic Church a victim here?
Even as your sanitized claim, where is the evidence?
It doesn't exist.
I'm not a Catholic (nor religious at all), and do question whether schools truly are worse than churches in terms of how children are treated.
But that's not the point. You made up a quote I didn't say ("demonization"), and accused the former poster of doing something they weren't: defending the church.
Saying that schools are worse yet ignored is not defending the church. It may also be incorrect, but that's a separate assertion.
That was in the comment that started this chain. Are you using an alt? I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to follow. If I were you I would take a breath and read the chain again.
Here I'll help you:
> Just about every kid goes to school though, so people just prefer to sweep that under the rug and focus on targeting organizations they are not a part of or disagree with because they're easier to demonize and make fun of.
In what world is that useful to your sanitized claim? Is it not an obviously underhanded apology for the conduct of the church? Is the aggrieved nature of this really lost on you?
Buddy, you are fighting windmills. You should go lie down.
HN is very anti-religion. It turns off their brain when they see it and leads to these kinds of responses.
Please tell me which part of your brain is engaged when you converse with your imaginary friend?
Is that really the best reply you could conjure? Maybe you can produce some evidence absolving the Catholic Church here? Or are you also an apologist for institutions that call themselves sacred engaging in systemic sex abuse?