I think the one benefit people are overlooking is that there is an opportunity to increase power generation.
Rather than saying "no", how about making the new datacenters fund nuclear, solar, and grid battery?
I think the one benefit people are overlooking is that there is an opportunity to increase power generation.
Rather than saying "no", how about making the new datacenters fund nuclear, solar, and grid battery?
New datacenters aren't harmless (noise or NoX pollution is real), and they'll consume more than they generate.
Yours better off mandating solar panels on parking lots (especially in the US!), etc.
I mean there are a number of places where datacenters have been built and claim to be putting 100% of the money forward to power their data centers with plants and infrastructure, however with everyone around those areas still claiming to be paying more for power afterwards.
> how about making the new datacenters fund nuclear, solar, and grid battery?
good luck with that
any promises will be ignored, avoided or dumped onto regular people the very moment the approval is granted
What about a making it prerequisite? Demonstrate you have built the nuclear/solar/whatever capacity to cover your own energy before you're allowed to build a datacenter?
Solar doesn't work well with 24/7 demand requirements, provisioning enough storage to fully even out intermittency drastically raises costs (most battery storage systems are for only 2-4 hours).
Nuclear has extremely onerous regulatory requirements.
I think this is the wrong way to go.
Let them buy energy, but why aren’t utilities’ power rates more strictly regulated?
Residential rates should be locked in with inflation, allow business rates to increase.
But you've just killed domestic manufacturing and any retail balancing on fine margins.
The only way to remove additional grid demand (and therefore cost) is to simultaneously flood the supply. The DCs should absolutely pay for that.
That’s fine with me, the government can just mandate utility capacity build-out.
These are monopoly businesses where the government has full control over the policy of their operation.
I would generally make the argument that data centers aren’t any different than manufacturing or retail businesses. Their demand should be considered equal in terms of priority - the government shouldn’t be artificially choosing industry preferences unless it has very good reason.
Either you’re a business and you pay the business price or you’re an individual and you pay the individual price.
> nuclear
See you in 15 years I guess.
Many site are already building their own capacity, but doing it (unfortunately) with gas turbines.
if it's connected to the grid and you make them buy capacity, they will write a contract to sell the same amount of capacity the moment it's approved
and you've accomplished nothing
and if you make them hold a certain position they'll simply sell in another subsidiary, or use derivatives
the only way to deal with this type of parasitism is blanket refusal
>any promises will be ignored, avoided or dumped onto regular people the very moment the approval is granted
Doesn't seem too hard to force the datacenter to put up a bond for it, and then if the requirements/timelines aren't met the bond's seized.
it's exceptionally hard because energy is fungible
try writing the contract, say, requiring 500MW of new gas generation to be built locally to power the DC, which is grid connected
they'll then secretly write a contract to sell 500MW of gas generation on the open market, conditional on approval
at some price they'll find a buyer, at which point 500MW increase in grid capacity has been cancelled out despite them actually building the plant
and all it cost them was the difference in the contract price
Hmm not quite following: 500MW was created at connected to grid as required although delegated to 3rd party. And the DC uses that power. So what's the problem?
500MW doesn't get built on the other side of the country when needed as the power has been sold
so there's a lag, but at this kind of scale you don't really care