I've worked with lots of folks on the spectrum and to be honest it's more fun dealing with them as team members rather than "normies".
One guy particularly stands out, he joined the team and started off on a solo run with a couple of projects a few others were involved in. A few weeks later I asked him if he'd setup any meetings with the team to get context and, you know, say hello and his response was "why should I do that, can't they read my PRs?". Classic.
Another one was the very loudly self-diagnosed neurodiverse girl, who seemed to just use it as cover for being a total jerk. Eventually she had to be managed out, as she tipped the scale between doing good work and tolerance of odd behaviors too far - screaming in meetings, histrionics and stuff you'd expect more of someone living on a street corner.
that surely might be a... diversion from boring work, but fun? fun is something else
Type 2 fun maybe.
> I asked him if he'd setup any meetings with the team to get context and, you know, say hello and his response was "why should I do that, can't they read my PRs?". Classic.
That would have been my reply, too.
Ditto. The contributions are saying 'hello' and soliciting input, in one. Also providing the contributor with an opportunity to learn the product in their terms.
I know, I know. The horror of an individual for us all.
I assume the proposition is this: one has no chance to produce value without firm guidance from the onset. Or the time learning is a tragedy. I doubt both of these very much. PRs are another conversation.
The others are free to take their turns. In this hypothetical, apparently, the other side has been unresponsive. Where's their ire; left behind at the bar?
Sorry we didn't apply the correct social pressure or wait until everyone was available at the same time for a call, I guess. I understand how that might hurt optics... I, the baby with superpowers in this scenario, just don't/can't care.
Handholding isn't a requirement. Guess what is: communicating the changes. Look at the PRs. Now that management is involved, we can have a meeting about them going unattended.
I assume the proposition is that trust between coworkers is important (even if you're autistic) and the best way to build extra trust with someone, on top of what you'd normally build just working with them, is to interact with them socially (unless they're autistic and haven't memorised this pattern, in such case they'll just be confused and annoyed).
I think your assumption that this is about "firm guidance" and "optics" and is an insult to your "superpowers" is unlikely to be the motivation.
"How can we have any pudding if we don't eat our meat?!"
Let's worry about extra trust once they start earning trust (and, arguably, their pay) by reviewing the PRs. Leaving those floating deserves none, from nobody.
To reiterate the original post, behaving as if they're a member of the team would be quite welcome, actually. Fun, no: work.
Has there been any hint that the PRs were not being reviewed? I haven't read any suggestion of that in the direct chain of replies.
Sure. Look not to the replies, but the top of the thread. The 'hint':
> " ... can't they read my PRs?"
I know one really good way to answer that. The requirement for the question suggests the same for review.
You're misreading it. Reading the speaker's PRs is presented as an alternative to talking to them, in the same way that if Alice and Bob were arguing whether song lyric sites should exist and Alice asked "can't they listen to the song?", it would be a rhetorical question and would not indicate that Bob did not listen to the song he wanted to read the lyrics of.
Hah. Disagree, don't care to continue. Have fun/take care.
it really bothers me when people try to assert people aren't actually neurodivergent/disabled because they dislike the person, and seem to want to further justify their dislike on a personal level instead of having compassion for the fact that they're actually disabled. i think people feel the need to assert this because they know they'd be an asshole to dislike someone for refusing to stand up and walk if they were wheelchair bound, so it's easier to pretend they don't actually need the wheelchair and are faking it.
the other point to this being frustrating is you're asserting she wasn't neurodivergent and then go on to describe some hallmark characteristics of neurodivergence. emotional regulation is one of the biggest challenges for people with ADHD and autism, and emotional outbursts and control of mood/emotions are exactly why neurodivergence is so incredibly difficult for so many people.
Let's have it correct, businesses pay folks to do work. While they make some allowances for what's happening in a person's life, they're not therapy nor are they charities.
If you can't manage whatever you're suffering from sufficiently to do your job then pity for you.
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