I find your comment quite strange to be honest, and it's not comment. There are so many "the-final-straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back-I-cancelled-my-order" comments out there, of folks claiming loudly that they're getting an F150 instead.
The F150 and the Cybertruck is so far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. It makes 0 sense to me to say "I'm going with the F150 instead", because it's not the same class of vehicles.
I'm keen to understand what you were hoping to get out the Cybertruck, that you are now instead going to get from a hybrid F150, and why you did not consider the F150 in the first place.
They fit perfectly together in the category "cool truck if you don't need a truck" so it's very easy to see why.
I find this elitist attitude towards trucks (well, anything to be honest) quite weird. 1. By definition, you need a truck if you’re decided on getting one. 2. There are no objective criteria you need to pass in order to get one, other than having the finances. 3. You’re projecting your own world view on others.
In this case it makes sense because if you needed the actual truck capabilities they'd buy a different truck because the Cybertruck wouldn't fit the criteria of others from a category that would fit. The only reason people can change between both models is they didn't need truck features in the first place and it was more of an aesthetic choice, which is fine but that's what I meant by "not needing it".
What truck things can an F150 Lightning do that a Cybertruck can't? I can't think of anything other than goose-neck towing, but that's generally an f250+ thing.
Tow without fear of shattering the frame (OK, without the snark, support more than 160 lbs downward force on the hitch). A full sized bed. Better visibility. Go offroad. Go through a carwash.
And in a purely cosmetic take: even panel gaps and a finish that doesn't require hand-cleaning after it rains.
EDIT: Fixed 150 to 160 lbs to match manual.
> support more than 150 lbs downward force on the hitch
manual says 1100 pounds
> A full sized bed.
Cybertruck's is bigger than the Lightning's
> Better visibility.
No clear win for either truck. Both have bad blind spots.
> Go offroad.
Clear win for Cybertruck after the locking diff software update.
The confusion here is that most manufacturers don't differentiate between Tongue Load (which is 1100), and vertical hitch load limits. From an alert panel in the manual's "Carrying Accessories" section:
"The hitch assembly is designed to support vertical loads up to 160 lb (72 kg). Exceeding this maximum weight can cause damage."
The CT bed is 6' by 4', the F150 has options at 5'5" (short bed), 6'5" (standard bed), and 8' (long bed). It's also universally wider than the CT's bed (albeit by only 2"), and the depth is greater at the tailgate, and consistent throughout.
As for blind spots, trucks suck, period. But the complete loss of the back window when the tonneau cover is closed is a major visibility issue. Yes, even with the rear view camera (which all vehicles have now). The A pillar in the front is also a larger issue for the CT vs the F150.
I have yet to see a single instance of a CT doing offroading that a Subaru Legacy couldn't do - I've seen more ford pickups towing CTs out of trouble to be honest. The weight and lack of articulation put the Cybertruck at an immediate disadvantage that no amount of power control can overcome.
Wait a second...I weigh more than 160 lb. Does that mean that if I stepped on the hitch of one while trying to get up into the bed it might break?
Based on the evidence, it should take more than just stepping on it - it seems to break under a big dynamic load. The cast aluminum appears to be more brittle than a steel frame.
But who knows, really. I'd say "not Tesla", but they did add that warning to the owner's manual...
Normal people buy so many things they do not need so often that I find this comment ridiculous. Yep, people buy cars they dont need, furniture they dont need and random crap they dont need.
Pointing out that some people don't need an 8,000 pound grocery getter isn't elitist, it's just being real.
I find this lack of arguing in good faith quite weird.
A soccer mom doesn't need a truck in the same way a roofer needs a truck.
There are very obective criterias that you can use to determine if you need a city car, a sedan, a truck, a van, or a supersport car. It really isn't rocket science
If you can do everything you use your truck for with a non-truck you don't need a truck, you want a truck. Which is fine, it's pretty common in the US to use a truck as nothing more than an expensive commuter vehicle.
I do find it weird how many people feel the need to justify a truck purchase as a necessity when it's clearly a luxury purchase, no different from buying a Lexus or Mercedes sedan because you want to.
It isn’t elitist, it’s an answer to the specific question the scenario where someone could substitute a f150 for a cyber truck.
> The F150 and the Cybertruck is so far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. It makes 0 sense to me to say "I'm going with the F150 instead", because it's not the same class of vehicles.
Are they not both trucks? What am I missing in that they are not the same class of vehicle?
A truck is arguably a work machine for many people. It's a tool designed to be used as such. I dont think the Cybertruck is a tool in that regard, because it clearly fails at the most basic "truck things", if the general internet is to be believed.
Now, if aesthetic is the primary factor here, the CB probably trumps the F150, by a huge margin, and one would not even consider something like the F150 as a suitable replacement or equivalent.
The GP in my thread decided to replace their designer high heels fashion statement for some boring hiking boots, because the heels did not fare well when walking long distances.
> Now, if aesthetic is the primary factor here, the CB probably trumps the F150
there is no accounting for taste, and IMO all teslas are ugly as sin
it's an ugly, overweight, overpriced meme car hyped by tech bros and internet bots. it can't truck, in any meaningful sense, and can't even handle carwashes. like a 2017 Mazda 3 is more rugged and reliable.
Towing and cargo capacity
> The F150 and the Cybertruck is so far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. It makes 0 sense to me
I am sorry, but you start with flawed premise and the rest doesn't make sense to me, actually. They both are vehicles with crew cab and bed, that are capable of hauling and towing stuff. They shape or the fuel type are not really relevant to me, like I don't care of the fuel type (diesel/gas) of a semi that I see on the road.
Let's compare 2023 F150 powerboost supercrew 6.5 bed with characteristics that I wanted and cybertruck tri motor (announced, https://static.wixstatic.com/media/3d2aca_ce63bacb1ff240228e...)
1. payload - f150: 2,120lbs, cybertruck: 3500 lbs 2. range - f150: 450+ cybertruck: 500+ 3. towing - f150: 12,700 cybertruck: 14000 4. bed - I wanted something longer than 6'1", so I can lay down in bed. That ruled out F150 short bed and rivian, but cybertruck was very close
Judging by numbers, that indicate real truck usage, cybertruck was close or exceeding F150, that is taken as baseline. If you want to draw some arbitrary classes and say that they are different, it's your right, but actually to me you make 0 sense saying "far apart in terms of the type of vehicle they are that I can't really understand how they are used in the same conversation. " or "not the same class of vehicles".
Explain to me where they are different classes, actually. Fuel type to me is an implementation detail.
I am getting larger range and longer bed. If Ford had F150 lightning with 450+ range and 6.5 bed, I'd strongly consider it too.
Also the Cybertruck is vastly outselling the electric f150, and there is almost no wait now, unlike the f150 which ford don’t seem to be able to scale production
That might be, but the hybrid F150 is outselling the electric one.
Honestly I didn’t even know there was a hybrid f150.
It doesn’t make much sense to compare a hybrid with a “no gas” range of almost nothing [1] and a 1.5kwh battery to a fully electric vehicle
[1] https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/powerboosts-poll-how...
I would guess most customers do not care much about gas vs electric and just care that their use cases are served.
Surely people are buying EVs because of the massive savings on gas....
I'm explicitly not buying an EV yet because there are no massive savings on gas where I am for the amount I drive. My current car cost like $12k used, and at the time a comparable electric used car would have been like $23k (and would have had like a 80-100 mile range, which I would have been fine with). But we spend like an average of $400/yr on gas and $75/yr on oil changes and extra maintenance above what an EV needs, so we'd be looking at 10++ years of difference to break. Even assuming free electricity and no higher licensing fees (which combined would be more like $200/yr). So actually more like 20++ years to break even there (which is basically not happening).
If I lived in an area where gas cost $20/gallon instead of $4/gallon, then it would change the math a little - it would be a net of more like $1300/yr, and I might actually spend less on an EV in the long run (7 years to break even, assuming 0 opportunity cost on the $9k).
If I spent $20/gallon on gas and also drove 12k miles / yr instead of 3k miles / yr, then it becomes a much better proposition.
I don't think EVs make sense yet for saving money unless you drive a lot; e.g. are doing Uber, and even then a Prius might make more sense. I bought mine for fun driving, they just simply drive better than ICEs, but it wasn't a financially beneficial decision.
The massive savings aren't always massive. If you use fast chargers frequently, it's going to cost you. In contrast if you use a slow charger regularly at home, then you'll save money. But that's not really an option for road trips.
Isn't the short waitlist for the cybertruck because demand for it basically collapsed?
That is certainly what the media narrative is saying, though they're currently building and selling more of them than every other EV pickup in existence... so if that counts as "collapsed demand", I'm not sure what that means for the other brands.