You're not contradicting anything the poster said. The reason for a lot of Chinese students and workers having high IQs wasn't the point of discussion, the sheer quantity was, and most people can see they have a lot of such people.
> It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals.
The US as a whole is accessible to a ton of foreign nationals because there was a push in like the 70s-early 2000s to offshore as much as possible to developing nations and exploit the arbitrage of wage labor back home. That was coupled with a foreign policy that was essentially trying to assimilate the cultures through that trade relation. Obviously China didn't reciprocate that, and many other places didn't either. But the America side of that open door policy (sentiment really) hasn't really gone away, even with the more recent immigration stuff.
I was responding to the claim that "China" or "Chinese as a whole" have higher IQs, that's not really what's happening. Which is why I brought up India, because it's a similar situation, lots and lots of people, plenty of those people are really smart. But it's a measure of a distribution, not really meaningful when talking about the people as whole themselves. Which itself is reductionist.
I think it's hard to get a good read on China's actual economic situation from the outside. Which, in itself, speaks to larger issues as we would understand them in the West.
There are plenty information about China on the outside, but nobody is paying anyone to push those into your feeds. It doesn't benefit any US entities to paint China in good light, and China largely doesn't market itself to the wider world (maybe to their detriment).
I don't think people care about press freedom when they are struggling to pay rent, buy food, get healthcare, or try to better themselves through education.
There's ~20 years of record that those believing western MSM reporting becuz muh free press on PRC are basically mouth breathing rubes at this point. There's are literally 10s of millions of PRC diaspora whose banal wisdom of crowd gossip has been more reliable signal than western reporting. Pick the most rabid PRC nationalist twitter account vs Economist and compare notes, and statistically the brain damaged nationalist would prove to be more accurate/predicative. Free press =/= accurate. There's a reason free press stans are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on PRC.
Like it's 2026, 5th estate for propaganda has been thoroughly gamed system by now. Why does PRC develop so many spies / use their diaspora for information... because they know US / western free press is compromised to make useful idiots "feel" that 5th estate reports the truth because they theoretically could (even when they don't). Not that they even could, reminder PRC gave most US reporter the reciprocal boot, no press freedom doesn't magically only hobble PRC 5th estate, though that never stopped western libtard reporters and rightoid thinktankers from making shit up - its just there's no pretense that they aren't anymore, all the while US gov allocates 100s of millions for information warfare.
Would you want to spend your time in a nation looking for 2 of their smart people out of 1000 or make national ties so you can get hundreds of smart people out of their billion?
Also internal distributions will not be even, those smart people are far more likely to be clustered.
You're not contradicting anything the poster said. The reason for a lot of Chinese students and workers having high IQs wasn't the point of discussion, the sheer quantity was, and most people can see they have a lot of such people.
>It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals.
This is what I was responding to. I'm trying to figure out how it is nonsense because India has a large population.
India already makes up like 70% of H1Bs.
> It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals.
The US as a whole is accessible to a ton of foreign nationals because there was a push in like the 70s-early 2000s to offshore as much as possible to developing nations and exploit the arbitrage of wage labor back home. That was coupled with a foreign policy that was essentially trying to assimilate the cultures through that trade relation. Obviously China didn't reciprocate that, and many other places didn't either. But the America side of that open door policy (sentiment really) hasn't really gone away, even with the more recent immigration stuff.
I was responding to the claim that "China" or "Chinese as a whole" have higher IQs, that's not really what's happening. Which is why I brought up India, because it's a similar situation, lots and lots of people, plenty of those people are really smart. But it's a measure of a distribution, not really meaningful when talking about the people as whole themselves. Which itself is reductionist.
Unlike India tho, China isn't burdened by American Imperialism and suffering from extreme economic poverty.
I think it's hard to get a good read on China's actual economic situation from the outside. Which, in itself, speaks to larger issues as we would understand them in the West.
There are plenty information about China on the outside, but nobody is paying anyone to push those into your feeds. It doesn't benefit any US entities to paint China in good light, and China largely doesn't market itself to the wider world (maybe to their detriment).
If you have sources I would be curious, even the Chinese language ones I've found have seemed, lacking, for want of a better word.
> but nobody is paying anyone to push those into your feeds
Speak for yourself. The CCP have been showing me images of nice clean high-speed rail stations in China for the last 2 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becoming_Chinese
Hilarious
China ranks 178 out of 180 in press freedom. How are you then getting plenty of information that is accurate?
https://rsf.org/en/2026-rsf-index-press-freedom-25-year-low
I don't think people care about press freedom when they are struggling to pay rent, buy food, get healthcare, or try to better themselves through education.
Hilarious
There's ~20 years of record that those believing western MSM reporting becuz muh free press on PRC are basically mouth breathing rubes at this point. There's are literally 10s of millions of PRC diaspora whose banal wisdom of crowd gossip has been more reliable signal than western reporting. Pick the most rabid PRC nationalist twitter account vs Economist and compare notes, and statistically the brain damaged nationalist would prove to be more accurate/predicative. Free press =/= accurate. There's a reason free press stans are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on PRC.
Like it's 2026, 5th estate for propaganda has been thoroughly gamed system by now. Why does PRC develop so many spies / use their diaspora for information... because they know US / western free press is compromised to make useful idiots "feel" that 5th estate reports the truth because they theoretically could (even when they don't). Not that they even could, reminder PRC gave most US reporter the reciprocal boot, no press freedom doesn't magically only hobble PRC 5th estate, though that never stopped western libtard reporters and rightoid thinktankers from making shit up - its just there's no pretense that they aren't anymore, all the while US gov allocates 100s of millions for information warfare.
Why it is nonsense then?
Would you want to spend your time in a nation looking for 2 of their smart people out of 1000 or make national ties so you can get hundreds of smart people out of their billion?
Also internal distributions will not be even, those smart people are far more likely to be clustered.