I think sovereignty might be the _cause_ of the banks' outages...
This is affecting companies that put everything into a single GCP region in the UK for their entire business - aka most likely British companies or government with a data sovereignty requirement.
The UK, at least, is big enough that you can have multiple regions within the same country. There's a lot of distance between Glasgow and London, for example. Maybe not enough if both are targeted with nuclear warheads, but at that point, we have bigger fish to fry I suspect.
Most European countries have enough space within the country to do that, and, for most things, except banking typically, hosting within the EU is enough, it doesn't have to be within your own country.
Microsoft Azure has two entirely seperate regions.
A "full function" one in/around London.
And a "tickbox" one for multi-region requirements near Cardiff.
The tickbox one has constant capacity constraints and a large number of Azure services aren't in it, but if you need to tick the "two regions and in country" requirement, you kinda/sorta can.
But considering what these sovereignty rules aim to achive, and as someone mentioned, that the problem may be due to companies relying on a single region provided by a hypersclaler due to data sovereignity rules.
Then redundancy has to be considered by both the company and the rulers.
You are confusing people with your loose application of the word.
Are you advocating for redundancy (e.g multi-cloud) or physical sovereignty (e.g self-hosted)?
You can have data in Slough and Manchester and retain data and compute sovereignty. If you don't like Equinix, Ark will offer Bristol and London. There's options in Scotland if that's not far enough away.
I think sovereignty might be the _cause_ of the banks' outages...
This is affecting companies that put everything into a single GCP region in the UK for their entire business - aka most likely British companies or government with a data sovereignty requirement.
That's not sovereignty.
Sovereignty is when there is a UK company with multiple data centres in the country.
With that if one region goes down, another can carry on.
Redundancy does not seem like an inherent component of sovereignty
The UK, at least, is big enough that you can have multiple regions within the same country. There's a lot of distance between Glasgow and London, for example. Maybe not enough if both are targeted with nuclear warheads, but at that point, we have bigger fish to fry I suspect.
Most European countries have enough space within the country to do that, and, for most things, except banking typically, hosting within the EU is enough, it doesn't have to be within your own country.
Microsoft Azure has two entirely seperate regions.
A "full function" one in/around London. And a "tickbox" one for multi-region requirements near Cardiff.
The tickbox one has constant capacity constraints and a large number of Azure services aren't in it, but if you need to tick the "two regions and in country" requirement, you kinda/sorta can.
Ah yes, Azure is the undisputed heavy weight champion of ticking theoretical boxes.
Certainly would not take something as extreme as a nuclear warhead to take out a data center. A small commando team could do it easily.
> Maybe not enough if both are targeted with nuclear warheads, but at that point, we have bigger fish to fry I suspect.
Wdym bigger fish, nuclear war has started and I can’t upload my video of a mushroom cloud to Tiktok!
It isn't but that wasn't the point. It's that sovereignty & redundancy aren't mutually exclusive
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True on first glance.
But considering what these sovereignty rules aim to achive, and as someone mentioned, that the problem may be due to companies relying on a single region provided by a hypersclaler due to data sovereignity rules.
Then redundancy has to be considered by both the company and the rulers.
That's not sovereignty, that's redundancy.
Sovereignty is just where stuff is, not how many place it is there.
You are talking about the dictionary definition of the words.
But this is supposed to be about practical.
What's the purpose of ticking a box about housing data in UK when you can't make it available after a single incident.
You are confusing people with your loose application of the word. Are you advocating for redundancy (e.g multi-cloud) or physical sovereignty (e.g self-hosted)?
You can have data in Slough and Manchester and retain data and compute sovereignty. If you don't like Equinix, Ark will offer Bristol and London. There's options in Scotland if that's not far enough away.
I think people have been fighting Googles monopolies for quite some time
Which you can't. Unless the government steps in and demands that all ties with Burgerland are cut.