Imagine going back in time to tell Hitler that, in 80 years, the German far-right would be led by a publicly pro-Jewish lesbian. Hell… maybe someone did, and that’s why he shot himself.
Imagine going back in time to tell Hitler that, in 80 years, the German far-right would be led by a publicly pro-Jewish lesbian. Hell… maybe someone did, and that’s why he shot himself.
And supporting Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
> And supporting Russia
That’s old news [1].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...
I think that "let's not attach each other" and "supporting" aren't the same thing.
The pact included industrial cooperation and dividing up foreign conquests. To simply quote Wikipedia:
"In August of that year [1939], the countries expanded their economic relationship by entering into a Trade and Credit agreement whereby the Soviet Union sent critical raw materials to Germany in exchange for weapons, military technology and civilian machinery. That deal accompanied the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which contained secret protocols dividing central Europe between them, after which both Nazi forces and Soviet forces invaded territories listed within their 'spheres of influence'."
They’re not. But the Nazis hating minorities within their own borders doesn’t delineate them.
Should probably add that her grandfather was a member of the SS
This is a good example of why the right wing is such a joke in Europe. Look at what they call “far right”.
Not quite the same, but I believe something like this happens in "Look Who's Back"
It feels to me we should be using quotations for the term "far-right", it has the same feel to me as Republicans calling Obama a socialist when he was still president.
I think ethnic cleansing for a national renewal is pretty far right, no? The next stop is gas chambers, I believe.
those were the national socialists doing that, which in US jargon would be far left.
point is, these phrases and names seem to have different connotations in different times.
There is no 'jargon' to compare left and right leaning parties from 80 years ago, to today's versions. To exercise ANY comparison within that context in a serious tone, is to build the most flammable straw man that even laughing at it would set the argument to ashes.
eta: I realize arguing with bots and paid farms is to do a disservice to everyone, but it's just painful to see these bad faith arguments presented as 8th grade reading level trick-questions. That said, fucking vote. It's your democratic responsibility in society that is based on social governance.
i think you said, in your first sentence, just what i was observing. the latter sentences seem unrelated?
No, Hitler himself said that the cooptation of "socialism" was on purpose[0], don't get fooled by simple naming, it's the easiest way one can be manipulated (e.g.: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"):
> "Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
> "Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
> "Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
> "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatint...
yeah...that's my point, these namings are pretty devoid of _consistent_ meaning, both with respect to what they reference (as in your democratic people's republic of korea example) as well as across time.
the namings are just messy.
Yes, they are proper nazi.
Hitler was a National Socialist (Nazi).
If that phrase were evaluated in the US in 2026, would that be "far left"?
I ask because it seems these phrases and coordinate systems are just an inconsistent clickbait mess.
No, Hitler himself said that the cooptation of "socialism" was on purpose[0], don't get fooled by simple naming, it's the easiest way one can be manipulated (e.g.: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"):
> "Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"
> "Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
> "Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
> "We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatint...
This is an editorial cartoon from 1931 showing how Hitler emphasized contradictory parts of the party-name to different suckers. (English translation in page.)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jacobus_Belsen_-_Das...
That's 95 years ago, how have we not internalized that things named by bad people don't usually do what the name says?
Yes! that's what i'm getting at: the use of these names is presented as meaningful but they're too mired in misdirection and propaganda to be context-free meaningful, both in an era, and across time.
The socialism part was fake. The named it so because socialism was popular and the promises are hard to distinguish from some right wing parties. In the past jews were the main enemy, now its muslims.
Naa, far left are the international socialists.
National Socialist was a lie at the time. The meaning of socialism has not changed. Labels are assertions, not prescriptions. The inconsistency is truth, not ideology.