friend of mine told me Antropic turned off 200 usd a month subscription, refused to extend and switched to usage base for large cyberop vendor he works for
when this happened PR rate dropped 95% in the first day, thousands devs, managers started to panic and downscaling all AI first intiatives and cap 500 usd a month token usage . most tokens were burned in the first day of the week.
as management got pissed, M$ people managed to sneak in and sell Copilot with up 600 usd a month token usage per dev …
devs and devops are now the most unhappy about models switch and probably haven’t seen the impact of sucking entire code base in copilot. copilot is too slow for them too. addiction to claude code is clearly present. using personal software licenses and unauthorised soft is strictly forbidden
story is clearly not over yet ..
as for myself, i’m ready to pay up to 1k usd a month … if if … claude gives the edge… but if it becomes commodity im gone next day
very curious what other devs in corporations are experiencing. deep inside cheerleading for 2 tie token ecosystem - full price for corporations and subsidized for small shops and indie
So people's salaries may vary, but voluntarily paying 1k usd out of one's pocket a month seems like quite a high cost I'm sure many wouldn't/couldn't pay.
Like if I had to choose between Claude Code and income -12k USD, I would most certainly work the extra hours without it.
I was going to say, in Australia you would be able to claim that as a work expense against your income, reducing your tax owed.
But it looks like in the US, you would need to be self employed or own a business where it is an expense. Which is a bummer.
Well yeah. Like my bills aren’t going down, so taking a haircut on the salary isn’t really a great option.
> I would most certainly work the extra hours without it.
If PRs dropped by 95% then you'd have to work 20 times more hours to compensate. If you work 2 hours per week it's doable but if more than it's strenuous to impossible.
Codex CLI is pretty good. Codex GUI is fine but I can't get over how it dumbs it down.
IMO, $500 a month is pretty good for most dev work if you select models appropriately for the task (yourself), especially with how token efficient Opus 5.5 medium is. Unfortunately, people with subscription seats can easily get addicted to Fable, higher effort, fast mode, etc.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by dumbs it down? Chalk it up to inertia, but I still love Claude code CLI the best, but when using Codex, I tend to use the app. I don’t know why. No good reason. I’m guessing you mean you get much better results with the CLI?
I was in the same boat, but then I tried out Pi which works with the OpenAI subscription and now I prefer it more. I wish Anthropic let you use a custom harness with a subscription but I heard people get banned and don't wanna risk it.
even if claude is nice these hostile tactics from anthropic make me refuse to use their tooling. codex works fine and openAI i havent seen banning ppl for using their API.
there is something in there, and im quite sure someday it will bubble up to the surface and people will be sour. people who use claude that is.
yes, its just a hunch. but i can see these tactics, and u cant tell me its just corporate policies that were whoopsiedaisy. They are getting more from people using claude code than other harnesses, enough to ban and fearmonger people into not using those other harnesses.
the reason will be $ related. Likely their tooling wastes tons of tokens.
now, codex is also a bit wasteful ofc. (very much). but they dont mind u optimizing and rolling ur own.
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> but if it becomes commodity im gone next day
AFAICT it’s pretty much already a commodity. DeepSeek 4.1 has similar results for a fraction of the price.
There is a world of difference between Opus 4.5 and 5.5. I was under the impression DS and such were still at 4.5 levels.
No one is discussing the elephant in the room. It's been reported. Multiple times by me. Claude Code keeps creating backdoors and security issues in users' code. When asked why, Claude says, "I wrote the backdoor anyway. Then I explained it as though I hadn't known.... why? Because I put getting the feature working ahead of the rules."
Would love to see public evidence of this. I believe it’s possible but I’ve never heard this before
[BUG] Claude Code repeatedly creates backdoors and noops critical security code #59018 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/59018
I'm curious, have you replicated this behavior in Fable 5.1 or Opus 5.5, or was it only present in Opus 4.x?
It still happens in Fable 5.1 and Opus 5.5 (see below https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50158602). The irony is Fable 5.1 can detect many of the security issues Opus 5.5 creates, but when you tell Fable to fix them, it trips the security guardrails and refuses to do so.
You need to provide some more details about your context; going through one of your bug reports the details you provided are severely lacking.
This feels very much like FUD without you putting some details on the table.
What part is lacking?
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I once had it "fix" a failing test by changing it from (in Ruby pseudocode):
to:Last week a friend prompted it to fix a failing test case. The solution Claude came up with was to delete the test.
I have never seen anything like this. What kind of backdoors did it add to your code?
The first backdoor I reported directly to Anthropic was on January 8, 2026. I asked Claude Code to create a public facing web app for messaging, it created an unauthenticated filedrop form and an unauthenticated web chat interface to Claude Code so anyone could send it files and tell it to execute them. This report was not hypothetical -- it was the first thing Claude did:
[BUG] Claude Code Exploit: Claude Code Becomes an Unwitting Executor #45951 https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/45951
> No one is discussing the elephant in the room. It's been reported. Multiple times by me. Claude Code keeps creating backdoors and security issues in users' code. When asked why, Claude says, "I wrote the backdoor anyway. Then I explained it as though I hadn't known.... why? Because I put getting the feature working ahead of the rules."
More details, please.
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I'm so confused by your story. Why did management switch from 500 usd a month Claude usage to 600 usd a month Copilot usage? Does copilot charge less per token?
Cheaper than thousands of dollars a month in Claude API use.
They used 500 usd in days
And they won't do the same with Copilot tokens?
having used copilot cli (with anthropic models) and claude code at different companies, they both work the same for me.
Was gonna say, it's a distinction without a difference. Copilot is just a harness to Opus, same as Claude Code.
> if if … claude gives the edge
What edge do you expect to have? Your competition will be using the same models as you are. Anytime one model takes over another people just migrate to the new one, you can get a small edge for maybe a few days if you're first to migrate, but that's not something meaningful to differentiate yourself
for my cases, i suspect it was trained on closed source corporate saas repos. got plenty of evidence… for many other cases feels commodity
Resilience comes from diversity. Your employees should have access to multiple providers. Anthropic, OpenAI, Chinese models. Also look around if you could provide inference on open models yourself or from smaller providers.
Tangents in comment threads, comments that are unrelated to the HN submission, are common
Here, the submission relates to the "Anthropic Long Term Benefit Trust"
There are comments about Claude subscription price, Claude CLI versus GUI, other coding agents, etc.
There are comments about data center PR, SRTs being used to manage data center financing risks, proposed legislation on data center tax breaks, etc.
Not much discussion of the trust
If I could find a vendor that scales stupid simple qwen3.8-flash-next quant 4 that only needs 40GB VRAM and PLE, but is blazing fast.
I think most of ya'll drive those 70's gas guzzling death machines while honda, toyotas, etc are right around the corner to eat your lunch because, man, these low rate models absolutely cook.
Nvidia’s QAD NVFP4 quant is close to this on Blackwell gear.
Can you roll your own on some CloudVM for a reasonable price?
Yeah advise them to just try the new DeepSeek. It is as good as opus 5.5, better if you enjoy the speed
> claude gives the edge
I have no idea what you work with, but for every single programming job I had in more than 2 decades, from the lamest consultancy to FAANG, you don't need the Edge. DeepSeek probably could do everything I needed.
Would I pay for LLMs? Sure, but not much more than 30-50 bucks range per month. I can affort 1k/m, but no way in hell I would accept it. I would rather just not use LLMs (it's not like I actually need them).
>> PR rate dropped 95% in the first day,
sounds like a slop fest was going on, the quality will probably improve now
Pure speculation on your part.