> And I know at least 1 startup, which only hired a dev after having 20+ B2B customers. They sure do not go around advertising themself as vibe coded.

Let me tell you something, I don't know jack about this new world.

But I do know about the old world. And in that old world, when you had 20 customers that actually needed your product for their business, your team of 5 people who built YOUR product are eagerly trying to talk to each one of them to figure out why your product works for them, how they found you, what they need now and in the future from your product. They reached out, took people to lunch, they went to meetups and hackathons and boring ass sales pitches to make connections.

Tell me about how all THAT stuff happens when your core dev team is agents in the cloud ?