> In an honest discussion there's an assumption that the other person won't straight up lie to me so if someone shows me ten examples for why my argument is wrong I may be inclined to believe them

This is incidental, but in an honest discussion, if someone throws 10 examples at me, I'll just say "great, congrats" and let them believe whatever the hell they want about their own argument. An honest discussion—as opposed to a debate—isn't served well by having one unyielding relentless participant. Even if it's important instead of friendly, the conclusion of that specific conversation is rarely so important that it can't be paused in order to validate the claims being made.

When I was in my early twenties, I was the type to argue with people that I thought were wildly wrong, but now I know that I may not have enough information to be certain, or I simply don't care, or I care but I know it doesn't matter. People who have 10 examples in their back pocket, or literally search up answers in real time because they're afraid of being vulnerable, imo are overvaluing answers and facts over discussion for discussion's sake. Now in my thirties, I'm much more interested in curiosity, wonder, and speculation over what the answer to anything actually is. Speaking of which, I wonder if this is why I'm kind of not that interested in using LLMs for much; I'm usually so much more interested in the journey than the result, that if I can get the result quickly with little work, I probably won't care to do anything with it.