Are the Dutch meet-ups better? Wanted to get to why2025 but couldn’t.

They are run by different people, though there is a lot of cross contamination and groups going to both.

I think the real difference is the setup, CCC is in a exhibition hall, while events like WHY are on a field and require you to camp. In that regard, you can compare CCCamp (what is different from CCC) more with WHY.

also Electromagnetic Field in the UK, and all the smaller camps

I had a great time at PyData Amsterdam last year. Terrific people!

I always like Fosdem (in Belgium, very close.)