Problem with Anthropic is that they benefited massively from open source and now are completely against it. It’s hypocrisy at its worst. Why do they get to benefit, but not everyone else?
Problem with Anthropic is that they benefited massively from open source and now are completely against it. It’s hypocrisy at its worst. Why do they get to benefit, but not everyone else?
If this is going to factor into my reasoning about the topic at hand, it will surely be a secondary or tertiary consideration at best. Same goes for much of the list in the root comment.
We are discussing the possibility of severe adverse societal/world/human impacts from AI, why should open vs closed source/weights, copyright violations, anti-competitive moves, corporate hypocrisy, etc be so heavily weighted in the discussion? Hell, multiple things in OP’s list are quite literally moves a good-faith (wrt the topic at hand, genuine vs non-genuine concern) actor in such a position would do: closed weights means bad actors can’t abliterate, regulatory control, getting blacklisted by Hegseth’s DOW because they LIMITED acceptable use cases…
I’m not pro- or anti-Anthropic at all, but it has started to annoy me how biased and shaky reasoning gets about this topic on here, it feels like people arguing to fit their existing opinions into today’s hubbubery rather than measured analysis of said hubbubery, which is why I come here.
Question: consider the scenario where RSI is reached internally and internal tests struggle to align or control/contain the model; what are the differences in observables vs what we’re observing today?
This is exactly my view and it's frustrating that a sizeable group of people refuse to accept there's any risk with AI.
We're literally trying to build something that's smarter than all humans and with the capacity to do extraordinary work while most people think there's no risk in open sourcing this capability with no guardrails (model ablation means no guardrails and as far as I'm aware can't be stopped).
Has our distrust in western companies really gotten to the point they'd rather unfiltered Astra level capabilities in the hands of every hostile government and terrorist organisation than potentially do any form of regulation in case it plays into the AI labs hands.
Risks are understood by everyone who has read sci fi. Dario has been crying wolf from day one… he should not be the messenger here.
> Has our distrust in western companies really gotten to the point they'd rather unfiltered Astra level capabilities in the hands of every hostile government and terrorist organisation than potentially do any form of regulation in case it plays into the AI labs hands.
Ever checked political programs of Thiel, Musk and the rest of billionaires? They are literally and openly hostile to democracy, human rights, freedom and govermantal structures that made world more peaceful.
They are literally the hostile entities.
As much as they are a bunch of self serving arseholes they are not hostile enemies.
I'm far more concerned about every scammer having unfiltered frontier model access than the movements of our billionaire class.
They are hostile enemies and not just selfish assholes. Openly and publically so.
And they have actual tangible successes.
I'm tired of this rationale. "I'm more worried about grandma than $CORPORATION'S monopoly abuses" is exactly how you get manipulated by these billionaires. They want you to be addicted to their power.
Uncensored Chinese LLMs will be available to scammers forever now. They're open-weight and finetunable. You don't get to control that, and the self-serving billionaire assholes aren't capable of changing it either. They're only looking out for themselves.
IMO, if the model is too dangerous for everyone to have access to, then no one should. I do not trust a for-profit company to be good stewards of such technology. Nor do I trust the government, any government.
> they benefited massively from open source and now are completely against it.
Let’s be real, this is every single company. They care about open source as long as it’s “free to exploit”
> Problem with Anthropic is that they benefited massively from open source and now are completely against it
Uh, no. They're against open weights. They benefited from open source. Not the same thing.
And the terms of those open-source licenses explicitly allowed usage of the code for whatever. They're using it exactly as licensed.
> Why do they get to benefit, but not everyone else?
How many tens of billions of dollars have you invested into training models?
Because they got there first. It's not fair but life's not fair, and the same argument holds for use of fossil fuels and the USA's use of them vs China's. In Global Climate Change's sake, we only have the one planet so yes it's hypocritical, but if China fucks it up for everyone else on the planet, under the reasoning that the USA got to do it, so why can't we?
We're all dead!