> We need to insist on building tech that's explainable by design.

You realize this means insisting on terrible tech that humans can understand right? It essentially caps human progress at some point about 4 years ago.

If you are old and happy with the way things are this might sound like a good idea. It does not to me.

Oh you want tech that helps discover new science instead of parroting existing wisdom?

There is little evidence that the RSI we are discussing is capable of inventing the theory of relativity (or the more advanced equivalent). All we have seen is pattern matching in a much larger space than humans can, with some human provided verification tech.

I would argue that human-AI collaboration with explainable tech has a better chance. Continuous learning can be done in a way that doesn't violate IP or privacy.

You are assuming that humans are capable of understanding everything. They are not.

Human comprehension sets a ceiling on progress.

It reminds me of those schools that can only teach as quickly as the dumbest kid in the room can follow. We don't want that for our entire species.

I'm sympathetic to this argument.

All I'm saying is: if you have a choice between two systems with equal power of discovery and one is more understandable than the other, we choose the more understandable one.

Limits of Human comprehension and quest for power are two different motivations that could lead to black box systems that are marketed as semi-explainable.

We need to verify that human comprehension is actually limiting progress before allowing such things and even when we do, do it responsibly on an explainable foundation.

Agreed. I would vote for the "when there is a choice" version of your argument.

I'm not sure it is always possible to verify when human comprehension is the limit though. Most of research is done an the frontier of knowledge where we don't know what we don't know.

There would need to be a great deal of nuance in any law, and nuance in practical terms tend to just mean "loophole." Still, you're right that we should try to build explainable systems where it is possible/reasonable to do so first.

The problem is that you're not offered a choice. No one is making the "err towards explainability" choice.

Training data is treated as IP. Distillation is seen as an attack.

Open data, open training based systems such an Marin are just getting started. Explainability is not a priority there.

The ones who do discuss these ideas are confrontational about LLMs and not effective spokespeople.

> The problem is that you're not offered a choice. No one is making the "err towards explainability" choice.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair. OpenAI recently discussed this at length in a blog post after some accusations around Astra and the trade-offs. The grown-ups are definitely thinking about it, and making tough choices about the trade-offs.

It's reasonable to debate whether ENOUGH is being done here, and I doubt that even the most rabid AI advocate would argue that more couldn't be done, but everyone in the industry is very much actively thinking about it.

Check this out if you haven't read it: https://openai.com/index/an-alien-mind/

They discuss recent choices they made specifically for that reason.

> The ones who do discuss these ideas are confrontational about LLMs and not effective spokespeople.

Very much this. I'm very open to reasonable debate on the subject, but 8/10 times when I try someone who is rabidly pro/anti jumps in. It turns from a debate amongst reasonable people who reasonably disagree into some kind of political/religious battle of belief systems.

I think part of my problem is that a lot of peoples careers very much depend on them not understanding it and spreading misinformation intentionally.

Let it be capped then.

Ahh yes I remember the bad old days of 4 years ago when everyone decided human progress had enough, and we would have been stuck there forever if it hadn't been for LLMs ... we didn't know how good we had it