It doesn't have to be a surveillance state for enforcement. Just preventing repeat offenders would practically remove that lowest denominator. For example, I knew a guy in high school who totaled 4 cars and had other minor accidents in 2 years. There's no reason for that person to be allowed to operate a vehicle. On the prevention side, we could require more training.

If you tried to enforce self driving cars, you'd still need some level of surveillance too.

> There's no reason for that person to be allowed to operate a vehicle

Doesn't much of america outside of cities also have the secondary problem of you physically cannot feed yourself, get to appointments, or do anything without operating a vehicle?

> you physically cannot feed yourself, get to appointments, or do anything without operating a vehicle?

You also physically cannot feed yourself, get to appointments, or do anything else once you've been fatally run over by a vehicle.

Sounds like a great incentive to make sure you don’t lose your driving privileges.

Or maybe - build a world where you don't need driving privileges just to exist

That is certainly something we have done horribly wrong in most of the US.

At some point the cost has to be high enough to get the attention of the offender.

I hope you wouldn’t be saying this if they had killed someone in one of their crashes. How about injured? They must have. Get some standards instead of saying everything is ok.

I am not saying anything is ok, where did you read that?

>For example, I knew a guy in high school who totaled 4 cars and had other minor accidents in 2 years.

Wait, he did all that in high school?

I heard something about "20% of drivers are responsible for most of the insurance claims" but it sounds like that one guy is jacking up the averages!

> Just preventing repeat offenders would practically remove that lowest denominator.

That requires enforcement which no longer exists in many cities.