TVs have streaming services, those need internet to function.

What else does anyone (average consumer) use their TV for? I don’t want a separate device to plug in and remote just to stream things.

> What else does anyone (average consumer) use their TV for?

Xbox/Playstation and free over-the-air channels. Great for major & regional sporting events - free ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX - tends to have less of a delay as well (for me anyway)

Pretty sure consoles have all the streaming apps too

Isn't that what a streaming stick is for? Who needs those complex TV remotes anyway. I've been running on Roku remotes for years and haven't missed anything. Even TiVo remotes are too complex.

Streaming sticks also collect your data. Roku does ACR unless you opt out.

Sure but some are just regular computers that run windows, easily converted to Linux.

They shouldn't though honestly. TVs should go back to basically being dumb monitors and the smart features should just come with a box. They can even sell the box as a bundle

But surely you know the TV will have ads, and spyware and screenshots you every few seconds to send to manufactures, and in some cases even has microphones involved?

The apps built into the screen literally meet the definition of trojans which any casual search on most brands would tell you.

All avoidable by plugging in an $20 dedicated source device for streaming or whatever.

Is saving the $20 really worth it?

> But surely you know

No? It's hardly written in the advertising copy for the TV, is it.

This is a technical website with technical users. You are failing to put yourself in the shoes of non-technical, ordinary users who just want to watch Netflix.

> All avoidable

If you know that you should avoid it but people don't.

> No? It's hardly written in the advertising copy for the TV, is it.

Which just proves almost no one does 5 minutes of online research before blindly believing whatever a device says about itself.

Those sorts are unfortunately in for a very bad time over the next few years.

A nutritionist, a dermatologist, a plumber could all say the same about many of the things we do or don't do day to day. There's only so many free "5 minutes" people have in a day.

I have researched second opinions from professionals on dermatology, nutrition, and plumbing, and reviews on the ones I do hire.

A bunch of 5 minute segments of gut check research avoids a ton of pain in life.

Everyone connecting these TVs to the internet, has access to the internet to tell them not to do that.

Obviously though, the TV makers are at fault. I just am baffled how so many still fall for this.

Genuine question - are there any $20 streaming sticks that don't put their own advertisements in?

A Pi Zero running an SD card image built for streaming. Plenty of them. Take your pick.