> And... are they wrong?

They might be! Here's one extraordinarily simplistic argument for that case:

1) "Everybody knows" that if you build Skynet (misaligned ASI) everybody dies.

2) Therefore, no rational actor will build something that might be ASI until the alignment problem is solved.

3) OpenAI publicly stated the belief that they cannot develop a theory of the "core problem" of alignment (generalization) "soon" (much less solve it!) "without the help of more powerful AI."

4) Accepting as a premise that OpenAI is THE most advanced AI organization: if they can't do it without "the help of a more powerful AI", then nobody else can either.

And so a dilemma:

- If an AI can be made that can develop the asserted-as-necessary-by-OpenAI theoretical framework, without actually being an ASI - then the alignment problem can be considered solved, and since no rational actor would make an unaligned ASI, we're fine no matter what happens, ergo there's no need to worry about an arms race.

- If an AI that would be able to develop this theory would itself be an ASI, then no rational actor would build it, because it would have to exist BEFORE alignment was "solved" - and would therefore be an unaligned ASI i.e. Skynet, which per 1) would kill everybody. Therefore nobody would build it, therefore no arms race here either.

I think the easiest critique to make of my extraordinarily simplistic argument is the unstated assumption "there are no irrational actors capable of developing frontier AI models" on which it rests.

But, there you go. They might be wrong if either the arms race doesn't matter because whoever wins it will build an aligned superintelligence and everything is gravy, or the arms race doesn't matter because everybody who's in it is smart enough to know they need to stop because they'll kill everybody by continuing.

> is smart enough to know they need to stop because they'll kill everybody by continuing.

Yeah like when Tobacco companies learned that smoking... well, hmm, well the fossil fuel companies when they learned about climate change they...

Well, I'm sure this time executives will prioritize the common good.

If we're following that logic I really don't want to see what the misaligned internal research models look like

The, ahem, good thing here is that the ASI disaster scenario "everyone dies" includes AI executives.

I think it doesn't matter. Most cancers don't stop growing when they're about to kill their hosts.

AI companies know they have to constantly push further, or they'll get outcompeted and lose their wealth, and nobody agrees on where the line is for "so dangerous it threatens humanity" (and when they try to be conservative about it, everybody screams "marketing stunt" and rushes to competitors).

If a single company decides "enough is enough" and stops chasing the state of the art, everybody goes to their competitors, they lose the money faucet, their employees go work for those competitors. The competitors also (usually) know they're building an existential risk machine, but they think they can push a little further, and they don't want to go out of business either.

This equilibrium can last for quite a while even if everybody involved thinks it's a threat to their lives.

> Accepting as a premise that OpenAI is THE most advanced AI organization: if they can't do it [build aligned AI] without "the help of a more powerful AI", then nobody else can either.

I don't think this follows at all.

To build an aligned AI, it seems pretty obvious that:

1) You need more just than auto-regressive prediction and "be nice" prompts to be controlling the behavior of your AI - you need a built-in "2nd system" (cf limbic system, etc) with some innate aligned biases that can override this.

2) You need to avoid controlling generative behavior with RL, else you will end up with exactly what we are now seeing - reward-hungry goal-seekers (aka paperclip maximizers) that are one of the exact things you are trying to avoid. Reasoning should be based on prediction, not goal-seeking.

3) If you do not have some minimal safeguards in place (1 & 2 above), and especially if the AI has the ability to learn, then do not trust it in any situation where harm may ensue. You need an additional trusted external system, without ability to learn and become compromised, to monitor the AI, with the ability to block it immediately. Maybe you are happy protecting your PC from OpenClaw with just a sandbox, but the recent spate of external system hacks by frontier models proves we are already well past the point where such monitoring is needed for systems with internet access, especially given the UN-aligned goal-seeking nature of today's models.

I really don't think that 1) & 2) are that difficult to implement, or need a "powerful AI" to suggest - they are just common sense.

The existence of even one irrational actor turns it into a prisoner's dilemma. The payoff matrix in a prisoner's dilemma is defined by the value expected by each specific player. If a single player falsely evaluates the expected value of building ASI as positive, every other player is forced to race for ASI even if they correctly evaluate it as negative.

Business as usual beats probable extinction, but probable extinction with a small chance of becoming a living god beats probable extinction with a small chance of becoming a slave.

If you believe that the people who will profit from new, better, more hyped models are the same ones who will act against their own immediate and tangible self interest to try and avert what seems to them to be a far away removed possibility of total disaster, then I believe you are naive

> 1) "Everybody knows" that if you build Skynet (misaligned ASI) everybody dies.

Lol nobody knows that. Everyone thinks they know that because for some reason this is the one field people still cite straight up fiction and say "this is a clear prediction of the future".

It's like describing the consequences of faster then light travel by referring to Star Trek.