> Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?
Post-work society is an inevitability if we don't destroy our planet.
> Like, what's the point, if the next AI can do it in 5 seconds?
Post-work society is an inevitability if we don't destroy our planet.
I think you're assuming work's only function is getting things done. Work also is a crowd control tool.
Is it realistic to keep people working jobs that don’t get anything done in the long term? I know most people will say that’s already happening, but imagine a society where basically every job is just a bullshit job made to keep you occupied, do you think people will continue working in a society like that?
Like you foresaw, I'll say this is the reality for most people. I think that just like now, those who want to do meaningful work will seek opportunities to do so.
If we had something like a Maslow’s hierarchy of needs but for work, I think meaningfulness would be the top of the pyramid. For most people in the world, not going hungry or affording housing are reasons enough to do work. Getting to do work you find meaningful is truly a privilege.
If work is needed for "crowd control", why aren't popular holiday destinations crime hotspots?
They are crime hotspots
I asked Gemini to list the 10 most popular holiday destinations in the US, and the 10 places with the highest crime. There's only 1 place in the intersection: New Orleans.
Highest violent crime rates:
Memphis, Tennessee: ~2,400–2,500 per 100k
St. Louis, Missouri: ~2,000–2,100 per 100k
Detroit, Michigan: ~1,700–2,000 per 100k
Little Rock, Arkansas: ~1,600–1,800 per 100k
Baltimore, Maryland: ~1,600–1,700 per 100k
Oakland, California: ~1,400–1,900 per 100k
New Orleans, Louisiana: ~1,600–1,700 per 100k
Birmingham, Alabama: ~1,600–1,700 per 100k
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: ~1,100–1,600 per 100k
Cleveland, Ohio: ~1,500–1,600 per 100k
Most popular holiday destinations:
New York City, New York
Orlando, Florida
Las Vegas, Nevada
Maui, Hawaii
Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona
San Francisco, California
Miami, Florida
Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming
New Orleans, Louisiana
Great Smoky Mountains National Park, North Carolina/Tennessee
That's a terrible metric, because people going on a vacation probably aren't going there purposefully to commit crimes. What you want to do is look for increases in crime in a given place during holidays
https://coolidgelawfirmaz.com/crime-increase-over-the-holida...
Gary Economics wants to have a word with you.
It would be fun to get to post-work society, but hard to imagine atm. TPTB won't let it happen
But how this transition will even happen?
Soon we will have some machines that can replace 50% of jobs, and this will happen basically overnight...
The steam engine replaced a lot of jobs. Tractors replaced a lot of jobs. Calculators replaced a lot of jobs. Computer used to be a job description before it was a personal device. There will be new jobs.
Entire towns got decimated when their jobs went away, such people fill their lives in drugs and vote for politicians who promise to bring back jobs.
Isn't the point of AGI that it can basically do any job?
It won't happen though
Come on, Gary is compulsive liar with zero credibility and really shitty takes. He’s entertaining though.
Good take, I think his view is a bit simplistic. Also he also have a huge ego
"I am the best economist in UK!"
Gary is not a voice worth listening to. A narcissist, fraud and has terrible epistemics.
How do you imagine a post work society where people can have inequality? I don't want to be equal. I want to do more.
> Post-work society is an inevitability if we don't destroy our planet.
Is it?
Walk current technological progress down the road.
I can't see a future in which almost every system (both physical and virtual) are not automated and optimized by autonomous entities.
What do you do when everyone is out of a job?
If you don't want pitchforks and riots in the streets, you give everyone UBI and housing so society doesn't collapse.
> If you don't want pitchforks and riots in the streets, you give everyone UBI and housing so society doesn't collapse.
As much as I’d love UBI to happen, in current geopolitiks it’s a no-go. People are not happy with having what the others have.
I’m all for an UBI but a future where people have no purposeful jobs, no way to actually make a real difference to anything around them, is a bleak one.
I would love such a future. I would be perfectly content focusing on my hobbies and playing video games rest of my life. Perhaps the UBI would be sufficient even for a little bit of travel.
Autonomous police drones will likely be able to handle the pitchforkers and rioters
How do you determine who gets the house on the beach? Who gets the mountain view? Who gets stuck with the corner lot on a busy noisy road?
Even if in the unlikely case UBI gets implemented, there is no way payment will be equal. Why would the rich give up their positions of power? They’ll just get more security and bribe politicians, enough to build private armies and fortresses so the poor and starving can’t touch them, and have no choice but to live out their lives in squalor…we’re seemingly headed that way according to many even without pervasive autonomous machines taking away all work.
It wouldn't be a redistribution of our current assets like that. I think there would be a whole lot of repurposing of these things.
The beach houses, mansions, mountain views could be vacation places, or used as libraries, or simply dismantled for the materials.
The "slums" on noisy roads could be eliminated entirely and used for something people don't need to be at.
We'd move to a more equal distribution of assets closer to the middle line.
and anyone that disagrees you just kill them, right? That's what all good commies do.
Stop hiding behind rainbows and say what you mean.
Or you build bunkers and build robots to keep the riffraff out. Shock collars on the guards' necks.
> Post-work society is an inevitability
Ah yes because these AI companies are just gonna give away the models for free that I use with my free computer and free smartphone while I eat with my free food in my free apartment.