Yes, because GTK2 is so difficult to upgrade to new versions, whereas Qt4 to Qt5 usually only involved replacing a few identifiers (cannot speak to Qt6 since I don't do Qt anymore). That's why distros need to drag GTK2 along even though we are already at GTK4.
I work on the IUP fork, where I have and support the Qt driver, which works with both Qt5 and Qt6, and I only need a couple of checks to make it work on both. I often check if I broke the Qt5 build; nope, all good there, hard to break. For GTK3 and GTK4, those must be separate drivers; there's no way you can handle that with a couple of checks. Everything is different. That was possible to some extent and works with GTK2/GTK3 (single driver), but there are so many checks and workarounds there. Qt is so nice to work with.
Yeah let's start on a specific version that they overhauled the API since computers are getting new hardware features, god forbid a different DPI. And use that as a leverage point against a library that kept their API quite stable for the last 20 years!
Especially when comparing Qt against a library who couldn't keep its shit together for 5 years and is infamous for breaking all sorts of API and removing features.
It should be illegal to announce a UI update and not include at least screenshots, so thanks for sharing.
The URL should probably be its landing page, which does a good job with the overview: https://www.audacityteam.org/audacity-4/
Usually I can’t stand scroll animated pages but they actually did a nice job at it.
thanks
I think this may be the first time I've wanted to buy merch
https://merch.audacityteam.org/
Wow, looks amazing. Qt6 seems to be really great.
Is there a free open source tool for video editing that has the same UX chops?
In case you missed it, yesterday there was a hn post about openshot 4 (also a Qt modernization release)
I usually hate product announce videos but this one is so concise and fast and to the point, I'm very impressed. Also wow the new UI looks delicious!
Best thing is it's not just a new coat of paint; there seem to be some very significant usability improvements in here.
Delicious really is a great word! It looks gorgeous and so pleasant to use.
Yeah, it is a hand-made video! Someone put actual work into it. :-) Results are speaking.
It seems like the new UI look doesn't have light mode available and the only option to have it is to switch back to the old UI? That's a weird choice.
They do appear to have a light mode, along with general UI customizability according to the homepage [1].
1: https://www.audacityteam.org/audacity-4/
Lost me at QT.
Why do you care so much about the UI framework used?
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Or he just prefers GTK. I sure like it better than QT.
No person who has written software with both prefers GTK :D
I can still use and develop GTK2 software in Debian out-of-the-box, but not Qt3 or even Qt4.
Yes, because GTK2 is so difficult to upgrade to new versions, whereas Qt4 to Qt5 usually only involved replacing a few identifiers (cannot speak to Qt6 since I don't do Qt anymore). That's why distros need to drag GTK2 along even though we are already at GTK4.
I work on the IUP fork, where I have and support the Qt driver, which works with both Qt5 and Qt6, and I only need a couple of checks to make it work on both. I often check if I broke the Qt5 build; nope, all good there, hard to break. For GTK3 and GTK4, those must be separate drivers; there's no way you can handle that with a couple of checks. Everything is different. That was possible to some extent and works with GTK2/GTK3 (single driver), but there are so many checks and workarounds there. Qt is so nice to work with.
> so difficult to upgrade to new versions
Perhaps, because GTK developers insist, that GTK2, GTK3, GTK4 are different toolkits.
> Qt4 to Qt5 usually only involved ...
I'd start with Qt3 to Qt4.
Yeah let's start on a specific version that they overhauled the API since computers are getting new hardware features, god forbid a different DPI. And use that as a leverage point against a library that kept their API quite stable for the last 20 years!
Especially when comparing Qt against a library who couldn't keep its shit together for 5 years and is infamous for breaking all sorts of API and removing features.
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