> People here are always complaining about the EU as if it's a single state, even though it's very clearly in the process of becoming one.

Rather: if you look at what the EU is doing, it is rather a huge advertisement that the EU should not become one.

Ok Vladimir, back to Moscow with you.

Nah, it should either become one, or dissolve, but this half baked shit definitely isn’t it. I’m sure it’s good for the bureaucrats though.

> Nah, it should either become one, or dissolve, but this half baked shit definitely isn’t it.

Since the current situation is shit, and one EU national state will be shit, too, this only leaves one option. :-) So let's dissolve the EU before even more billions are wasted in this futile project.

I'm trying to think of a single metric by which the EU hasn't been a massive success.

> I'm trying to think of a single metric by which the EU hasn't been a massive success.

- Number pages of lunatic regulations

- Money gone into the EU

- Not a metric, but fitting very different philosophies of how to handle the domestic currency under one umbrella (ECU, Euro) has lead to massive tensions between the involved countries and their populations in particular when the Euro crisis hiy (e.g. in German "Pleitegriechen" [bust Greeks], PIIGS (pigs) countries (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain)). If there wasn't a common currency, each country would have solved this problem on its own terms. Now there is hate that continues up to today, and these countries (including their citizens!) can be used as scapegoats.