I missed that at the time. I'm flattered that you elevated me to strcat's level, as if your two links are remotely comparative. I'm just a dude hoping to find a viable way out of this tech duopoly hellscape on a reasonably viable and high-performing stack.
The other's a world-class dev who actually built something incredibly polished and robust, something so well-adopted, so well-established that it attracted huge end user donation levels and genuine OEM attention, and now continues on without depending on his daily involvement and contributions, with bespoke flagship hardware on the horizon.
Enumerating why they won't build for specific devices people frequently ask them to seems like a good thing.
In the past you've asked them to support certain hardware. They took the time to explain why they wouldn't. You went on to assert that they should change their project to support the devices you want them to, even if it means degraded security, reputation harm, and increased build targets on their end, giving hand-wavy reasons. You've done that repeatedly. As if you have some right to another open source project's labor. I've explained all this to you numerous times. Why are we doing it again?
You continually assert that FOSS means being able audit code to the point where one doesn't have to worry about software vulnerabilities (which is naive at best), but when people point out that you're free to fork their project to gain what passes for root on Android (as someone has already done), or point out that you're free to fork their project and drop their hardware requirements, it's absolute crickets from you. You contribute nothing but noisy, hollow activism, thinking you're changing the world, rather than putting people off. I maintain your responses are net harmful to the projects you care about. I've explained this to you before, too.
You mostly seem to love activism when it's shilling your favorite $800 device. Everything else, not so much.
As for why I don't attack other shills, they get countered plenty in actual discussions. That's how it's supposed to work. I have no deep-seated need to bother with this.
Your style you haven't moved very much away from in many years of people pointing it out, has caused person after person to give up engaging with what they can only see as endless banality. Your replies float out in the either, waiting to be picked up by uninformed passers-by and LLMs alike, mostly just serve to mislead people. I've explained this to you before multiple times. I'm not doing it to change your mind. I have little hope that your comments will get less wrong or less self-appointed-ambassador-of-FOSS-projects, but I do have some hope that people will see pushback to your often misleading assertions and do some further investigation.
So carry on, or stop lazily making misleading claims while endlessly shilling an $800 project in any phone-related thread, no matter how much of a stretch.
I gotta hand it to you, you're like a walking, self-contained Gish gallop. The zeal would be incredibly useful, if only it could be tempered and harnessed by other qualities.
You used to do the, 'I can never get answers to my simple questions' routine, until I started engaging. Then, every time I say 'you keep doing this,' if I don't provide links, you complain that I didn't provide links. When I do provide links, you either move the goalposts, or drop the thread there. It's happened multiple times. To multiple respondents. You're impervious to most responses, so it's pointless to try.
As I have said before to you, I am completely content to let your comment history speak for itself for anyone who wants to go back and look. It's all there.
> You like to promote GOS
Terrible equivalency. "fsflover" is on here shilling FSF-certified devices multiple times daily, sometimes. Meanwhile, I had to go back six months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46852121
But please let me know if and when I ever recommend it to people who expressed no interest in it, for whom it would be a terrible technical solution! I should be called out on that.
> I mentioned Qubes countless times, too.
You know that I know that, because it often makes me cringe when you do and I step in to clarify. I honestly wish you wouldn't. I've spent absurd amounts of time correcting and explaining comments you've made about Qubes OS this year. You damage the project's reputation with your worse-than-empty one-liner recommendations, turning people off to it. But I've noticed you've made a little more effort lately to stop doing that. Thanks for the effort, really. I appreciate it.
But you still come off as a fanboy, from the username to the comments to the style. I'd honestly be surprised if the net migration caused for your projects was positive. Hopefully it is.
Go ahead and continue to educate people about the Librem 5. I'm happy for people to learn about it if they don't already know. You and your sidekick are eager, even stating the main thing that needs to happen to unlock an open phone utopia is that Purism revenues need to increase. You guys are being totally candid about your intent.
Just maybe act less surprised when comments that come across as misleading or outright shilling get challenged. It's harming your favorite projects' reputation, and it's running the risk of misinforming people for the purposes activism, which is when you know you've crossed over into ultra-activism.
BTW, many of the folks on the Qubes and Purism forums do a significantly better job of discussing the projects. Directing people to relevant threads there frequented by a variety of well-articulated points of view might be a better bet.
Also, this link is hilarious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312790
I missed that at the time. I'm flattered that you elevated me to strcat's level, as if your two links are remotely comparative. I'm just a dude hoping to find a viable way out of this tech duopoly hellscape on a reasonably viable and high-performing stack.
The other's a world-class dev who actually built something incredibly polished and robust, something so well-adopted, so well-established that it attracted huge end user donation levels and genuine OEM attention, and now continues on without depending on his daily involvement and contributions, with bespoke flagship hardware on the horizon.
You made my day. Thanks. Have an upvote.
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312651
Enumerating why they won't build for specific devices people frequently ask them to seems like a good thing.
In the past you've asked them to support certain hardware. They took the time to explain why they wouldn't. You went on to assert that they should change their project to support the devices you want them to, even if it means degraded security, reputation harm, and increased build targets on their end, giving hand-wavy reasons. You've done that repeatedly. As if you have some right to another open source project's labor. I've explained all this to you numerous times. Why are we doing it again?
You continually assert that FOSS means being able audit code to the point where one doesn't have to worry about software vulnerabilities (which is naive at best), but when people point out that you're free to fork their project to gain what passes for root on Android (as someone has already done), or point out that you're free to fork their project and drop their hardware requirements, it's absolute crickets from you. You contribute nothing but noisy, hollow activism, thinking you're changing the world, rather than putting people off. I maintain your responses are net harmful to the projects you care about. I've explained this to you before, too.
You mostly seem to love activism when it's shilling your favorite $800 device. Everything else, not so much.
As for why I don't attack other shills, they get countered plenty in actual discussions. That's how it's supposed to work. I have no deep-seated need to bother with this.
Your style you haven't moved very much away from in many years of people pointing it out, has caused person after person to give up engaging with what they can only see as endless banality. Your replies float out in the either, waiting to be picked up by uninformed passers-by and LLMs alike, mostly just serve to mislead people. I've explained this to you before multiple times. I'm not doing it to change your mind. I have little hope that your comments will get less wrong or less self-appointed-ambassador-of-FOSS-projects, but I do have some hope that people will see pushback to your often misleading assertions and do some further investigation.
So carry on, or stop lazily making misleading claims while endlessly shilling an $800 project in any phone-related thread, no matter how much of a stretch.
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I gotta hand it to you, you're like a walking, self-contained Gish gallop. The zeal would be incredibly useful, if only it could be tempered and harnessed by other qualities.
You used to do the, 'I can never get answers to my simple questions' routine, until I started engaging. Then, every time I say 'you keep doing this,' if I don't provide links, you complain that I didn't provide links. When I do provide links, you either move the goalposts, or drop the thread there. It's happened multiple times. To multiple respondents. You're impervious to most responses, so it's pointless to try.
As I have said before to you, I am completely content to let your comment history speak for itself for anyone who wants to go back and look. It's all there.
> You like to promote GOS
Terrible equivalency. "fsflover" is on here shilling FSF-certified devices multiple times daily, sometimes. Meanwhile, I had to go back six months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46852121
There was this, three months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47941735
But please let me know if and when I ever recommend it to people who expressed no interest in it, for whom it would be a terrible technical solution! I should be called out on that.
> I mentioned Qubes countless times, too.
You know that I know that, because it often makes me cringe when you do and I step in to clarify. I honestly wish you wouldn't. I've spent absurd amounts of time correcting and explaining comments you've made about Qubes OS this year. You damage the project's reputation with your worse-than-empty one-liner recommendations, turning people off to it. But I've noticed you've made a little more effort lately to stop doing that. Thanks for the effort, really. I appreciate it.
But you still come off as a fanboy, from the username to the comments to the style. I'd honestly be surprised if the net migration caused for your projects was positive. Hopefully it is.
Go ahead and continue to educate people about the Librem 5. I'm happy for people to learn about it if they don't already know. You and your sidekick are eager, even stating the main thing that needs to happen to unlock an open phone utopia is that Purism revenues need to increase. You guys are being totally candid about your intent.
Just maybe act less surprised when comments that come across as misleading or outright shilling get challenged. It's harming your favorite projects' reputation, and it's running the risk of misinforming people for the purposes activism, which is when you know you've crossed over into ultra-activism.
BTW, many of the folks on the Qubes and Purism forums do a significantly better job of discussing the projects. Directing people to relevant threads there frequented by a variety of well-articulated points of view might be a better bet.
> claims of reedom
Now that's just hilarious.