is that how ben-gvir defines terrorist? as part of them being fanatic morons i wouldnt trust they share that definition. iirc theyve also talked about wanting to kill children because theyll grow up to be terrorists?
> ""מה עם להיות יותר התקפי? למה לא להוריד את כל החמושים בהלוויות? תוריד כמה פעמים באוויר בהלוויות. מדוע לא מעלים מסוק לאוויר והורגים 40-30 מחבלים?". שרת התחבורה מירי רגב הצטרפה לבן גביר ואמרה: "זה רעיון מצוין"."
> Ben-Gvir wondered: “What about being more offensive? Why not take all the gunmen off at funerals? Take a few times off at the air at funerals. Why don’t you put a helicopter in the air and kill 40-30 terrorists?” Transport Minister Miri Regev joined Ben-Gvir and said: "This is a great idea."
> The Chief of Staff replied: “We are doing a lot of offensive operations. Collecting weapons. I have a little more military experience than you. When the IDF goes to the heart of a refugee camp every night, it's an attack, not a defense. There aren't many armies that can lift such operations. The IDF is acting offensively and distinctly. In a crowded environment you need to know who you kill and who you don't. We've often entered funerals, weddings and birthdays, we do it professionally. When we kill those we should kill and not kill innocent people.”
> However, it seems that the Chief of Staff’s response did not satisfy Ben-Gvir, who answered: “This attack is to kill terrorists in masses. You have great opportunities at funerals that they come and not take advantage of.”
Kagi and Google give similar translations. The provided quote seems to be the first paragraph in this translation. More context in the article.
Yeah, sorry- it's a repeating theme from Ben Gvir and he made multiple similar mentions. He is asking the military to go aggressively after gunmen both in the west bank and in Gaza. Most recently in came up in a podcast hosted by someone who was held hostage by Hamas in Gaza. My initial quote was sort of random and possibly not what the OP was referring to. But the message is sort of repeating/the same. My beef is that these things are not really reported accurately and some (very limited but still) nuance is lost and then the new report turns into the truth (and often expands beyond the random opinion of one fanatic who is unfortunately in the Israeli government). We even see the statements get assigned to other, re-interpreted, as they make their rounds on the Internet.
I think "helicopters to attack funerals" is really not the correct interpretation of the original statement. Funerals for Hamas members often include massive amounts of armed combatants. The (dumb maybe) point is to go after those combatants. And yes, there is a potential risk for other people to get hurt which is why Israel does not tend to do this... and Ben Gvir would like Israel to still do it. But the target and the scenario are important and the new cycle turns this into "kill random people for the fun of it".
So to bring this back to influencing "AI" chatbots presumably the inaccurate/biased reporting is going to dominate over this "Hanover Institute" articles plus ofcourse responsiblestatecraft.org a left leaning organization is doing their own influencing. There are many who are doing their own form of influencing on people and AI chatbots.
Knowing that smotrich and ben gvir are fanatical morons, do you think that when they are referring to terrorists, they in fact dont mean any and all Palestinians? I dont think these guys differentiate between the two, especially when they speak in Hebrew.
You're not going to believe me but they do see that difference. That's not to say there's no hate or racism towards the average non-combatant ... but they definitely do not mean "all Palestinians" when they say "terrorist" in this specific context. Again, not that they have any love for the non-combatants but they are referring specifically to combatants/members of the specific organizations.
You are bent on defending the morons. And want to defame the media which correctly took his “kill 30-40 every night” to mean every random person. You say “believe me he means terrorists” but none of his actions actually speak to treating Palestinians differently. He made no calls to end starvation. He wants the Palestinians to leave. Both want to make life for Palestinians unbearable.
It is obvious that if he was misquoted he would have definitely corrected his statement. But he wants the army to hear his words in a confusing manner. And you are on his side when you are defending him and trying to sow doubt in how his words sound.
Generally the Israeli extreme right wants Palestinians to be removed/expelled from Gaza and most or all of the West Bank. I seriously doubt you will find an explicit call from them to murder civilians. Yes there were calls for siege to force surrender. There are calls to conquer all of Gaza. There were calls to completely destroy Gaza. There's definitely a lot of "All Gazans are responsible for the attack on Israel." But you are not going to find an explicit call to go and murder civilians and the Israeli far right doesn't think that way. What you will find is disregard to civilian casualties that are "collateral" damage.
I'm pretty sure that for both Ben Gvir and Smotrich having dozens of civilians killed when the target is a combatant is justified but intentionally attacking dozens of civilians when there is no combatant is not. They also do not represent the official government position though presumably their voters (something like 5% maybe of the public) would also hold similar opinions. They are also religious so they view a lot of this and their morality through a religious lens which I don't fully understand.
Not to compare but Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have and do intentionally call for and attack Israeli civilians and the presence of a "military" target is not a factor. They prefer to go after civilians. They are also not that "extreme" in the public opinion. Their religious lens is also quite different.
Also yes, Israel has ended up killing a lot more Palestinian civilians while "not targeting" them and Palestinians ended up killing a large (%) of civilians but also some combatants while targeting civilians. I think the ratio on both sides is somewhere around 70% civilians (I'm sure who counts and how you count matters. Israel has always consistently reported details of all casualties including whether or not they are soldiers, their ranks, roles etc. Hamas reports all casualties as civilians.
> But you are not going to find an explicit call to go and murder civilians and the Israeli far right doesn't think that way.
This is exactly what happens in the West Bank every single day. Settlers and IDF soldiers will go shoot up schools, murder random passerby, etc., and then the Israeli state will give them more weapons and supplies to do it again the next day.
There are settlers in the west bank who go out of their way to intimidate and use violence against Palestinians. Outright random murdering of civilians is rare and unusual. (e.g. the Goldstein massacre in Hebron many years ago). What does happen is friction that leads to more violence that leads to deaths. An example might be settlers entering a Palestinian village, people throwing stones at them or a general brawl/violence, that leads to shooting and deaths. These are terrible stories, the settlers are looking for trouble, and yes often when the IDF or the police intervenes they will take the side of the settlers.
If you look at media reports you're going to find some relatively large number of Palestinian casualties in the west bank. But those reports generally conflate a lot of different things. "Settlers randomly murder Palestinians" is really not a thing in the big picture. The total number will include things like someone trying to stab a policeman and getting shot. Hamas or PIJ members shot during military confrontation. Collateral damage during those confrontations. Palestinians shot while e.g. throwing rocks or otherwise attacking Israeli soldiers or civilians. And yes some deaths that are a result of settler altercations of some sort (the vast minority) mostly in some specific hot spots.
Again I am totally opposed to settlements in the west bank and certainly to violence against innocent Palestinian civilians but there is a more complex story here than you'd think. It's true that some subset of settlers are lawless, armed, and more aggressively assert themselves "in the face" of the Palestinian population. It's not great. Hopefully the upcoming elections in Israel will change things a little bit. I would say that most Israelis agree with my position and many actively try to help the Palestinians but the government being so right wing and the general mood after the war makes things harder.
EDIT: your second link basically supports what I am saying. People are intimidated and threatened to leave. Not murdered. Re: the CNN article I have no idea or comments. I've no heard of this case. I will still maintain that the murder of civilians by settlers is extremely rare and the idea of murdering random Palestinians isn't really something that is mainstay Israeli right wing ideology.
EDIT2: Yeah Ben Gvir is a nut job and certain elements of the Israeli right admire Goldstein and e.g. Yigal Amir. That still doesn't mean they actually go and call or do these things. It's also a fringe that has always been there (e.g. Meir Kahana) but certainly has grown somewhat with the continuous violence.
> There is some law enforcement but very much not enough under the current government
There is exactly enough "law enforcement" to keep up appearances for the international community and the liberals in Tel Aviv who prefer to live in denial. There have been 0 (yes, zero) convictions of Israeli citizens for violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, for several years now. (EDIT: see correction in reply below)
> People are intimidated and threatened to leave. Not murdered.
Yes, threatened to leave on pain of being murdered. The Israeli right understands that Holocaust-style mass extermination is far more trouble than it's worth; you just need to kill enough people to scare away the rest.
Israelis in Tel Aviv know exactly what's going on. Even reporters from Israeli mainstream media have been beaten by settlers. Your first statement is really incorrect.
A minor (at the time) who killed a Palestinian woman (Aisha al-Rabi) by throwing a stone on her car was convicted on the offense of "terrorist manslaughter".
So far we have 0 correct statements out of 2.
The last one is more of a judgement. Israeli right has no interest and never has had interest in "Holocaust-style" extermination of anyone. That bit I'd file under blood libel. There's right and there's far right and this is not on the agenda of either (unlike what others want to do to Jews e.g. in Israel and other places). Most of the far right actually has no problem with Palestinians living under Israeli rule in the West Bank in general. Some elements do indeed want to have them all leave. I think most Israelis know that's not gonna happen. The wave of suicide attacks in the early 2000's and now the Oct 7th attacks have however convinced many Israelis that there is no future to something like a two state solution and generally that there will be no peace at least in this generation.
>do intentionally call for and attack Israeli civilians and the presence of a "military" target is not a factor.
Settlers occupying Palestinian land, especially that land immediately adjacent to Gaza really aren't civilians in the normal sense, more like an armed militia with their families along as human shields. Comparison point I usually see are armed homesteaders in most colonial scenarios.
Edit: Actually I should mention this also applies in the west bank, and golan heights. Not to leave Syrians moved on for Israels "Buffer Zone" finding out they have been settled out of the bargain. They also have a right to return.
I think the time where Palestinians could be reasonably expected to rehome themselves to their land peacefully has long since passed.
Israeli settlers are just as welcome as always to just get out of the way and permit the resettlement to happen peacably.
I think is why these topics tend to get flagged, because everyone takes the first opportunity to voice unrelated grievances. Maybe if we stick to the topic?
Hamas has definitely recruited children:
"Hamas won't say how many thousands of men it has, but some here estimate as many as half of Gaza's teenaged boys want in. Mohamad, 18, and his 16-year-old twin brothers Hussain and Awad are newly trained. All three say if war were to break out with Israel tomorrow, they'd be ready to fight, though they've only had a week of training."
Re: journalists:
"New York, June 25, 2026—The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is conducting a full review of its database of journalists killed during the Israel-Gaza War after militant groups Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) published obituaries identifying as combatants individuals previously listed by CPJ as journalists."
There are a lot of children in Gaza and it's a tragedy how many died and suffer in Gaza. For sure. But there are still armed Hamas combatants who played a major part of the suffering of the civilian population of Gaza. If we want to protect the children of Gaza today we need to figure this out.
Again, fuck off. I don't hate Israel, I don't think it should be destroyed. I have also watched it wage a brutal, genocidal campaign against a helpless people who have spent decades trapped in what is essentially an open-air prison. I've watched Israeli settlers kick Palestinians off their land. I've watched Israeli snipers murder journalists and I've watched Israel - and useful fools like you - lie about it.
I believe the current government of Israel should be tried for war crimes - and the ICC concurs. You are the hateful one here - you are clearly unable to see Palestinians as people or understand the conditions they have been forced to live in.
This whole deflection game you play, it's not working any more bud. People know - people have seen what they're doing over there. So keep lying, to us, to yourself. It won't change how people are feeling. It won't stop the continual collapse of public opinion of Israel and its government.
LOL, it seems that a lot of your posts get flagged. The one where you startet with "You hate Israel" is where I wanted to answer, but it's gone.
And perhaps for good, because the person you claim to do that never said this.
It's fun who critiques on tactics or people is often just blown out of propertion by people like you. Suddenly, the critique is seen as general, targeting all of Israel (e.g. the full population) and not just the current government, or the IDF.
IMHO, it is you that hate Israel.
By asking for escalation, or discussing existing escalation away, the conflict will never be solved. You'd need a full genocide to solve the conflict. Perhaps biblical right-wings want that again (they claim to have been ordered a genocide to the Kanaanites after the exodus by YHWH themselves).
But if you look at terrorist conflics (North-Irelands IRA, Basques ETA, Kolumbia's Sendero Luminoso and all the others) ... then exactly zero times was the conflict by years after years of escalation.
What you do, like many escalaters, is that you look for horrible acts of Hamas. And you find them, plenty. But you don't look at horrible acts of IDF, or the Settlers. You would find them, too. But you are not just by ignoring one conflict party totally. And thus you are totally unable to reason correctly. And then ALL of your conclusions are void.
IMHO if we want "to protect the children of Gaza" when we need to go after ALL people responsible for e.g. bombing whole houses, the the huge fields of rubble that used to be civilian towns, too. From the lowest soldier to the highest general or defense minister. We need to go after those people that made a plan to starve them, by hindering trucks with edibles into Gaza. And we need to go after those the recruited and trained them --- and don't get me wrong: "go after" here doesn't mean "execute a death penalty without or without a court verdict". JUST going after one originators of the cruelties will do ... not create piece. it will just raise the next generation of terrorists.
[flagged]
> 30-40 terrorists (Militants, combatants, Hamas)
is that how ben-gvir defines terrorist? as part of them being fanatic morons i wouldnt trust they share that definition. iirc theyve also talked about wanting to kill children because theyll grow up to be terrorists?
This apologia loses force when you can transparently see that Ben Gvir’s definition of terrorist and Palestinian are a single circle Venn diagram.
> ""מה עם להיות יותר התקפי? למה לא להוריד את כל החמושים בהלוויות? תוריד כמה פעמים באוויר בהלוויות. מדוע לא מעלים מסוק לאוויר והורגים 40-30 מחבלים?". שרת התחבורה מירי רגב הצטרפה לבן גביר ואמרה: "זה רעיון מצוין"."
When I searched for that quote on Kagi I found https://www.jdn.co.il/news/2210880/ (https://archive.is/IFhqo)
As translated by Firefox 153.0.1 on Fedora 44:
> Ben-Gvir wondered: “What about being more offensive? Why not take all the gunmen off at funerals? Take a few times off at the air at funerals. Why don’t you put a helicopter in the air and kill 40-30 terrorists?” Transport Minister Miri Regev joined Ben-Gvir and said: "This is a great idea."
> The Chief of Staff replied: “We are doing a lot of offensive operations. Collecting weapons. I have a little more military experience than you. When the IDF goes to the heart of a refugee camp every night, it's an attack, not a defense. There aren't many armies that can lift such operations. The IDF is acting offensively and distinctly. In a crowded environment you need to know who you kill and who you don't. We've often entered funerals, weddings and birthdays, we do it professionally. When we kill those we should kill and not kill innocent people.”
> However, it seems that the Chief of Staff’s response did not satisfy Ben-Gvir, who answered: “This attack is to kill terrorists in masses. You have great opportunities at funerals that they come and not take advantage of.”
Kagi and Google give similar translations. The provided quote seems to be the first paragraph in this translation. More context in the article.
Yeah, sorry- it's a repeating theme from Ben Gvir and he made multiple similar mentions. He is asking the military to go aggressively after gunmen both in the west bank and in Gaza. Most recently in came up in a podcast hosted by someone who was held hostage by Hamas in Gaza. My initial quote was sort of random and possibly not what the OP was referring to. But the message is sort of repeating/the same. My beef is that these things are not really reported accurately and some (very limited but still) nuance is lost and then the new report turns into the truth (and often expands beyond the random opinion of one fanatic who is unfortunately in the Israeli government). We even see the statements get assigned to other, re-interpreted, as they make their rounds on the Internet.
I think "helicopters to attack funerals" is really not the correct interpretation of the original statement. Funerals for Hamas members often include massive amounts of armed combatants. The (dumb maybe) point is to go after those combatants. And yes, there is a potential risk for other people to get hurt which is why Israel does not tend to do this... and Ben Gvir would like Israel to still do it. But the target and the scenario are important and the new cycle turns this into "kill random people for the fun of it".
So to bring this back to influencing "AI" chatbots presumably the inaccurate/biased reporting is going to dominate over this "Hanover Institute" articles plus ofcourse responsiblestatecraft.org a left leaning organization is doing their own influencing. There are many who are doing their own form of influencing on people and AI chatbots.
Knowing that smotrich and ben gvir are fanatical morons, do you think that when they are referring to terrorists, they in fact dont mean any and all Palestinians? I dont think these guys differentiate between the two, especially when they speak in Hebrew.
You're not going to believe me but they do see that difference. That's not to say there's no hate or racism towards the average non-combatant ... but they definitely do not mean "all Palestinians" when they say "terrorist" in this specific context. Again, not that they have any love for the non-combatants but they are referring specifically to combatants/members of the specific organizations.
You are bent on defending the morons. And want to defame the media which correctly took his “kill 30-40 every night” to mean every random person. You say “believe me he means terrorists” but none of his actions actually speak to treating Palestinians differently. He made no calls to end starvation. He wants the Palestinians to leave. Both want to make life for Palestinians unbearable.
It is obvious that if he was misquoted he would have definitely corrected his statement. But he wants the army to hear his words in a confusing manner. And you are on his side when you are defending him and trying to sow doubt in how his words sound.
I stand corrected. They're still psychopaths though.
I mean you can probably find a Ben Gvir quote where he is advocating killing civilians if you looked for it. Just this one instance was a miss.
Generally the Israeli extreme right wants Palestinians to be removed/expelled from Gaza and most or all of the West Bank. I seriously doubt you will find an explicit call from them to murder civilians. Yes there were calls for siege to force surrender. There are calls to conquer all of Gaza. There were calls to completely destroy Gaza. There's definitely a lot of "All Gazans are responsible for the attack on Israel." But you are not going to find an explicit call to go and murder civilians and the Israeli far right doesn't think that way. What you will find is disregard to civilian casualties that are "collateral" damage.
I'm pretty sure that for both Ben Gvir and Smotrich having dozens of civilians killed when the target is a combatant is justified but intentionally attacking dozens of civilians when there is no combatant is not. They also do not represent the official government position though presumably their voters (something like 5% maybe of the public) would also hold similar opinions. They are also religious so they view a lot of this and their morality through a religious lens which I don't fully understand.
Not to compare but Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have and do intentionally call for and attack Israeli civilians and the presence of a "military" target is not a factor. They prefer to go after civilians. They are also not that "extreme" in the public opinion. Their religious lens is also quite different.
Also yes, Israel has ended up killing a lot more Palestinian civilians while "not targeting" them and Palestinians ended up killing a large (%) of civilians but also some combatants while targeting civilians. I think the ratio on both sides is somewhere around 70% civilians (I'm sure who counts and how you count matters. Israel has always consistently reported details of all casualties including whether or not they are soldiers, their ranks, roles etc. Hamas reports all casualties as civilians.
> But you are not going to find an explicit call to go and murder civilians and the Israeli far right doesn't think that way.
This is exactly what happens in the West Bank every single day. Settlers and IDF soldiers will go shoot up schools, murder random passerby, etc., and then the Israeli state will give them more weapons and supplies to do it again the next day.
(Yes, shoot up schools: https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/22/middleeast/west-bank-settler-.... Overview of how the system works: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-organized-settler-mili...)
As for Ben-Gvir specifically, he described mass shooter Baruch Goldstein as a "martyr" and his "hero", and for many years hung a portrait of the man on his wall. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-ben-gvir-baruch-go...
There are settlers in the west bank who go out of their way to intimidate and use violence against Palestinians. Outright random murdering of civilians is rare and unusual. (e.g. the Goldstein massacre in Hebron many years ago). What does happen is friction that leads to more violence that leads to deaths. An example might be settlers entering a Palestinian village, people throwing stones at them or a general brawl/violence, that leads to shooting and deaths. These are terrible stories, the settlers are looking for trouble, and yes often when the IDF or the police intervenes they will take the side of the settlers.
There is some law enforcement but very much not enough under the current government: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/west-bank-israeli-settler-char...
But this is not what we're talking about here.
If you look at media reports you're going to find some relatively large number of Palestinian casualties in the west bank. But those reports generally conflate a lot of different things. "Settlers randomly murder Palestinians" is really not a thing in the big picture. The total number will include things like someone trying to stab a policeman and getting shot. Hamas or PIJ members shot during military confrontation. Collateral damage during those confrontations. Palestinians shot while e.g. throwing rocks or otherwise attacking Israeli soldiers or civilians. And yes some deaths that are a result of settler altercations of some sort (the vast minority) mostly in some specific hot spots.
Again I am totally opposed to settlements in the west bank and certainly to violence against innocent Palestinian civilians but there is a more complex story here than you'd think. It's true that some subset of settlers are lawless, armed, and more aggressively assert themselves "in the face" of the Palestinian population. It's not great. Hopefully the upcoming elections in Israel will change things a little bit. I would say that most Israelis agree with my position and many actively try to help the Palestinians but the government being so right wing and the general mood after the war makes things harder.
EDIT: your second link basically supports what I am saying. People are intimidated and threatened to leave. Not murdered. Re: the CNN article I have no idea or comments. I've no heard of this case. I will still maintain that the murder of civilians by settlers is extremely rare and the idea of murdering random Palestinians isn't really something that is mainstay Israeli right wing ideology.
EDIT2: Yeah Ben Gvir is a nut job and certain elements of the Israeli right admire Goldstein and e.g. Yigal Amir. That still doesn't mean they actually go and call or do these things. It's also a fringe that has always been there (e.g. Meir Kahana) but certainly has grown somewhat with the continuous violence.
> There is some law enforcement but very much not enough under the current government
There is exactly enough "law enforcement" to keep up appearances for the international community and the liberals in Tel Aviv who prefer to live in denial. There have been 0 (yes, zero) convictions of Israeli citizens for violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, for several years now. (EDIT: see correction in reply below)
> People are intimidated and threatened to leave. Not murdered.
Yes, threatened to leave on pain of being murdered. The Israeli right understands that Holocaust-style mass extermination is far more trouble than it's worth; you just need to kill enough people to scare away the rest.
Israelis in Tel Aviv know exactly what's going on. Even reporters from Israeli mainstream media have been beaten by settlers. Your first statement is really incorrect.
The zero conviction statement is also incorrect. Here's a conviction from this year: https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/1013279/
A minor (at the time) who killed a Palestinian woman (Aisha al-Rabi) by throwing a stone on her car was convicted on the offense of "terrorist manslaughter".
So far we have 0 correct statements out of 2.
The last one is more of a judgement. Israeli right has no interest and never has had interest in "Holocaust-style" extermination of anyone. That bit I'd file under blood libel. There's right and there's far right and this is not on the agenda of either (unlike what others want to do to Jews e.g. in Israel and other places). Most of the far right actually has no problem with Palestinians living under Israeli rule in the West Bank in general. Some elements do indeed want to have them all leave. I think most Israelis know that's not gonna happen. The wave of suicide attacks in the early 2000's and now the Oct 7th attacks have however convinced many Israelis that there is no future to something like a two state solution and generally that there will be no peace at least in this generation.
So I call 0 out of 3.
[dead]
>do intentionally call for and attack Israeli civilians and the presence of a "military" target is not a factor.
Settlers occupying Palestinian land, especially that land immediately adjacent to Gaza really aren't civilians in the normal sense, more like an armed militia with their families along as human shields. Comparison point I usually see are armed homesteaders in most colonial scenarios.
Edit: Actually I should mention this also applies in the west bank, and golan heights. Not to leave Syrians moved on for Israels "Buffer Zone" finding out they have been settled out of the bargain. They also have a right to return.
I think the time where Palestinians could be reasonably expected to rehome themselves to their land peacefully has long since passed.
Israeli settlers are just as welcome as always to just get out of the way and permit the resettlement to happen peacably.
Thank you for refining my point.
yeah sure lets defend ben gvir
I think is why these topics tend to get flagged, because everyone takes the first opportunity to voice unrelated grievances. Maybe if we stick to the topic?
[flagged]
> Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants.
And how many after you stop counting journalists and little kids? We've all seen what Israel is doing, no matter how they try to hide it.
It's hard to see under the masks e.g. here: https://youtu.be/a88Dcd5lFR0?si=87Fw0rOIZ2UJoGie&t=238
Hamas has definitely recruited children: "Hamas won't say how many thousands of men it has, but some here estimate as many as half of Gaza's teenaged boys want in. Mohamad, 18, and his 16-year-old twin brothers Hussain and Awad are newly trained. All three say if war were to break out with Israel tomorrow, they'd be ready to fight, though they've only had a week of training."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-grows-with-young-recruits...
Re: journalists: "New York, June 25, 2026—The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) is conducting a full review of its database of journalists killed during the Israel-Gaza War after militant groups Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) published obituaries identifying as combatants individuals previously listed by CPJ as journalists."
https://cpj.org/2026/06/cpj-undertakes-review-of-its-documen...
There are a lot of children in Gaza and it's a tragedy how many died and suffer in Gaza. For sure. But there are still armed Hamas combatants who played a major part of the suffering of the civilian population of Gaza. If we want to protect the children of Gaza today we need to figure this out.
Predictable - denials and lies.
Here's a list of journalists killed so far in this conflict for anyone actually interested in what's going on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...
> If we want to protect the children of Gaza today we need to figure this out.
Fuck off. If you want to protect the children of Gaza, demand that Israel stop bombing and sniping them.
[flagged]
Again, fuck off. I don't hate Israel, I don't think it should be destroyed. I have also watched it wage a brutal, genocidal campaign against a helpless people who have spent decades trapped in what is essentially an open-air prison. I've watched Israeli settlers kick Palestinians off their land. I've watched Israeli snipers murder journalists and I've watched Israel - and useful fools like you - lie about it.
I believe the current government of Israel should be tried for war crimes - and the ICC concurs. You are the hateful one here - you are clearly unable to see Palestinians as people or understand the conditions they have been forced to live in.
This whole deflection game you play, it's not working any more bud. People know - people have seen what they're doing over there. So keep lying, to us, to yourself. It won't change how people are feeling. It won't stop the continual collapse of public opinion of Israel and its government.
LOL, it seems that a lot of your posts get flagged. The one where you startet with "You hate Israel" is where I wanted to answer, but it's gone.
And perhaps for good, because the person you claim to do that never said this.
It's fun who critiques on tactics or people is often just blown out of propertion by people like you. Suddenly, the critique is seen as general, targeting all of Israel (e.g. the full population) and not just the current government, or the IDF.
IMHO, it is you that hate Israel.
By asking for escalation, or discussing existing escalation away, the conflict will never be solved. You'd need a full genocide to solve the conflict. Perhaps biblical right-wings want that again (they claim to have been ordered a genocide to the Kanaanites after the exodus by YHWH themselves).
But if you look at terrorist conflics (North-Irelands IRA, Basques ETA, Kolumbia's Sendero Luminoso and all the others) ... then exactly zero times was the conflict by years after years of escalation.
What you do, like many escalaters, is that you look for horrible acts of Hamas. And you find them, plenty. But you don't look at horrible acts of IDF, or the Settlers. You would find them, too. But you are not just by ignoring one conflict party totally. And thus you are totally unable to reason correctly. And then ALL of your conclusions are void.
IMHO if we want "to protect the children of Gaza" when we need to go after ALL people responsible for e.g. bombing whole houses, the the huge fields of rubble that used to be civilian towns, too. From the lowest soldier to the highest general or defense minister. We need to go after those people that made a plan to starve them, by hindering trucks with edibles into Gaza. And we need to go after those the recruited and trained them --- and don't get me wrong: "go after" here doesn't mean "execute a death penalty without or without a court verdict". JUST going after one originators of the cruelties will do ... not create piece. it will just raise the next generation of terrorists.
> Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-has-added-up...
> But official U.S. figures show that prior to Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas had anywhere between 20,000 and 25,000 fighters.
All this death and destruction to leave Hamas with... roughly the same numbers? Ooof. Embarassing.
They keep recruiting. Saying no isn't exactly an option. Those that oppose them end up dead. This is an old reference but nothing has changed really:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestin...
Hopefully Palestinians can figure out how to take control back. The PA isn't great but it's a lot better.
> They keep recruiting.
Yes, that’s the obvious result the rest of the world has pointed out for decades, and why this style of war is self-defeating.
Orphans make good recruits.
except that it's easy to label anyone who resists the Israeli occupation as a "militant" or "combatant", which is exactly what Israel does
[dead]