You can send armed men to your house, or restrict companies in America from using these models.
They can also restrict US providers from serving these models. Looking at OpenRouter, there is currently 11 providers for 'DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731' with the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.
> the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.
Interesting.
If I were a western lab, might I be tempted to subsidize at least one faster & cheaper provider for Chinese models to keep even more data from leaving the US?
(I know in this case there can just be more efficient providers, am asking more than speculating)
The NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States.
Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspection.
When has enforceability ever been a concern of the government? This is the same government that had anti-sodomy laws on the books until the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 2003.
Making it illegal even without having a realistic means of enforcing it still chills behavior, and so just because it isn't practically enforceable in the general case doesn't mean it isn't without consequences.
Same way they detect if you do business with Russia, North Korea, Iran. They don’t detect 100% of the cases but the punishment are severe enough to deter most companies.
Send you to jail.
Worked well with alcohol last time
It sure did. Even Al Capone went to prison.
How can the US administration send me, a citizen of Sweden, to jail?
Sweden is dependent on the American nuclear umbrella. Until that changes, the US will have a lot of leverage on Sweden.
I mean they did manage to make Swedish authorities go after Pirate Bay.
I mean, it's not like they have done it all over the place already...
No.
What they always do. Send in armed men with guns? Export Controls. Import Controls. National Security Laws.
Good luck doing that in China?
You can send armed men to your house, or restrict companies in America from using these models.
They can also restrict US providers from serving these models. Looking at OpenRouter, there is currently 11 providers for 'DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731' with the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.
> the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.
Interesting.
If I were a western lab, might I be tempted to subsidize at least one faster & cheaper provider for Chinese models to keep even more data from leaving the US?
(I know in this case there can just be more efficient providers, am asking more than speculating)
>Good luck doing that in China.
Crazy how all the 5 eyes nations banned Huawei within like 18 months of each other.
For certain specific uses. As a consumer I can still buy Huawei phones. As a business I can still buy Huawei routers, if I feel so inclined.
Europe still heavily uses Huawei though, so it’ll be the same with Chinese models
Import control would only affect US? Also good luck sending armed men to China.
Level 1: Anyone using unauthorized model weights in their business is prohibited from doing business with the government...
Level 2: ... or with anyone who does.
Level 3: Anyone caught with unauthorized model weights is subject to the same prosecution they could expect if they had been caught with CSAM.
Cool - how are they going to detect/police that?
The NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States.
Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspection.
Yeah but I'm in Australia and just host AI models as a service - how are the NSA gonna convince the local law enforcement to do anything?
Ask Kim Schmitz. (Yes, I know, NZ is nowhere near Australia, the point still holds.)
When has enforceability ever been a concern of the government? This is the same government that had anti-sodomy laws on the books until the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 2003.
Making it illegal even without having a realistic means of enforcing it still chills behavior, and so just because it isn't practically enforceable in the general case doesn't mean it isn't without consequences.
Same way they detect if you do business with Russia, North Korea, Iran. They don’t detect 100% of the cases but the punishment are severe enough to deter most companies.
How exactly though? I have my 4 RTX 6000 pumping out Deepseek code for my website - how are they going to tell i've used Chinese models?
This post exactly ;-)
Whistleblowers. Personal use would still be possible of course.
It's not out of the realm of possibility to do AI audits. I'm not saying it's a good idea or likely, but certainly something they could do.