Yep. Cursor’s Composer 2 model is a good example, though it is not clear if they entered into an agreement with Moonshot before they got found out in March this year [1] or after.
Software licenses aren't enforced through litigation as much as they are enforced through the _threat_ of litigation and legal risk. In other words, pretty much every company pays lawyers to minimize legal risk. Those lawyers inevitably look at all the contracts, agreements, and software licenses, and tell the C-suite what to do in order to keep their legal exposure as low as possible. "Don't violate other companies' IP," is pretty low-hanging fruit in those conversations.
It is a very rare (and ballsy, and perhaps incompetent) company that ignores their lawyers' recommendations to adhere to the letter of all of the software licenses they are bound to.
If weights aren't copyrighted then there's no IP to license, other than the bit of software that runs the whole thing and it's probably not too hard to write that yourself. There might even be open source reimplementations soon.
Lots of companies are willing to push the boundaries of IP when there's a gray area. One example is Google's implementation of a Java API when they made Android, for which they got sued, and won their case. Another example is the AI companies training their models on copyrighted material.
How many companies host and serve models via API and have a $20M+ revenue? Going to be pretty straightforward to catch offenders.
Yep. Cursor’s Composer 2 model is a good example, though it is not clear if they entered into an agreement with Moonshot before they got found out in March this year [1] or after.
1: https://x.com/fynnso/status/2034706304875602030
Demonstrating a company is using this model in court seems non-trivial, no? Or am I interpreting this post incorrectly.
Not at all. It is easy to bake in a specific response to a given prompt in the model.
Software licenses aren't enforced through litigation as much as they are enforced through the _threat_ of litigation and legal risk. In other words, pretty much every company pays lawyers to minimize legal risk. Those lawyers inevitably look at all the contracts, agreements, and software licenses, and tell the C-suite what to do in order to keep their legal exposure as low as possible. "Don't violate other companies' IP," is pretty low-hanging fruit in those conversations.
It is a very rare (and ballsy, and perhaps incompetent) company that ignores their lawyers' recommendations to adhere to the letter of all of the software licenses they are bound to.
Normal software is copyrighted. Model weights don't seem to be copyrighted, as another comment pointed out here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49073127
If weights aren't copyrighted then there's no IP to license, other than the bit of software that runs the whole thing and it's probably not too hard to write that yourself. There might even be open source reimplementations soon.
Lots of companies are willing to push the boundaries of IP when there's a gray area. One example is Google's implementation of a Java API when they made Android, for which they got sued, and won their case. Another example is the AI companies training their models on copyrighted material.
They haven't litigated the last public non-compliance... Despite that one being extremely public. So probably not at all for now.
> They haven't litigated the last public non-compliance
What was it?
Cursor was thought to be but they were later found to be using an authorized provider [1]
1 - https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2035074972943831491?lang=...
Maybe because a non public agreement was in place?
They have certainly trained in some secret call/response pairs that would uniquely identify Kimi serving.