WASM will be ready when GNU Hurd succeeds in running the desktop linux of the year. Already 10 years since WASM ... HTML, CSS and JavaScript all had a huge influence. WAS simply has not done so yet.
WASM will be ready when GNU Hurd succeeds in running the desktop linux of the year. Already 10 years since WASM ... HTML, CSS and JavaScript all had a huge influence. WAS simply has not done so yet.
Ready for what?
WASM is already running in production at a whole bunch of financial services orgs and government infra.
The thing is, it's not running anywhere near HTML, CSS or JavaScript. It's running serverside, mostly on Wasmtime - which, as it happens, is what this post is all about.
> it's not running anywhere near HTML, CSS or JavaScript
There’s plenty of usage in the browser environment as well, plenty of client-side SDKs for things like e.g. video editing, barcode scanning, etc. use it.
why.... why would financial services orgs and government infra run anything on wasm serverside?
It's lightweight, capability-secured, services start up way faster, smaller overhead than VMs, better isolation than containers, faster replication, etc.
The original Wasmtime 1.0 blog post explains it all really well: https://bytecodealliance.org/articles/wasmtime-1-0-fast-safe...
I'm not sure why people are claiming wasm isn't ready. It's just a compiler target like asm.js was. And that's been in use pretty much from the start when they got Unreal Engine, Unity, ffmpeg ported to it. Personally I've run Python + Sympy, Xcas/Giac and Maxima in the browser through this amazing tech.
Yeah, WASM has been a disappointment, and I guess there's a good reason for that. If WASM would've worked as advertised, allowing fully fledged apps to run easily and natively in the browser with no fuss and 90% native perf, then basically all app stores would've been dead.
Native Client, which ran native x86 (but statically verified) code in the browser, basically fit all the criteria, except it wasn't platform agnostic. I'm not married to their approach, but I refuse to believe that this can't be done in a safe and peformant manner.
I guess WASM turned out to be a sandbagging rather than sandboxing technology.
But I eagearly await the arrival of concern trolls who can explain why WASM is slower than JS, and why native threading support is impossible to do securely without imposing limitations, that made sites like itch turn it off, so it might as well not exist.
There's a big gap between WASM has issues/limitations, and WASM "might as well not exist." NaCL was also Chrome-only IIRC, whereas WASM is a successful web standard (no small feat).
NaCL was further along in every meaningful dimension (the ability to run native software at native speeds) after a year or two of development, than WASM is today after a decade (and I think this will be true a decade from now).
So the upside of WASM according to you, is that it got greenlit by the standards committee chaired by companies whose business model would've been hurt the most by a competent in-browser sandbox.
For example, the Epic-Apple Fortnite battle couldn't even have happened. Epic would've shipped it on NaCL and users would've been just as happy, and Apple (or Google) would've had no way of enforcing their sandox.
Whew, thankfully we've been saved from that terrible fate of getting to publish and enjoy software without gatekeepers and appstores.
At least I hope you have something to gain from your opinion, as the rest of us certainly lost out.
Surely PNaCl is the one you need, because portability.
Portability isn't worth as much as it was advertised. There are a grand total of 2 relevant CPU architectures for consumers, ARM64 and x86_64. Shipping 2 binaries is just running the compiler twice.
On the client side, there's just a verifier, and then the runtime basically consists of branching to the first instruction and having at it. Near-native performance and instant startup, you can't do better than that.
PNaCL was proto-WebAssembly and suffering from the same issues. They actually shipped LLVM bytecode, and you had to compile the executable locally with the whole toolchain, leading to quite bad startup performance and a lot of baggage.
Turns out there's no such thing as portable VM assembly. You still have to ship a full compiler (well, JIT) and compile the WASM IR.
Browser vendors have spent uncountable amount of engineering resources on making yet another compiler (actually multiple, since afaik Chrome uses a tiered JIT for WASM), that's neither as good as the big boys, and neither as fast as just running the dang binary.
If you make the web dependent on a CPU architecture, you're giving up on a fundamental design principle and also letting one company control it.
Linux distros are shipped as binaries yet you can still build them from source, and are certainly not controlled by one company, I don't see why that would be the case here.
Would you require every website to come with architecture-independent source code? What happens if it doesn't match the compiled binary? Or would the browser compile it every time?
The original premise of the argument was about WASM bytecode vs native assembly - bytecode is no more open or closer to the source code than x86 asm. Your questions are completely orthogonal to the argument, so please bring up relevant points.
PNaCL was published with a standard and tooling, it was Mozzilla that refused to adopt it, and push asm.js instead.
Ironically, if it was today, Google could have pushed PNaCL without any problem.
> If WASM would've worked as advertised, allowing fully fledged apps to run easily and natively in the browser with no fuss and 90% native perf, then basically all app stores would've been dead.
Working on that! I'm building hypen.space which is platform agnostic language & SDK for building native crossplatform apps.
It's a WASM engine at it's core, and while currently it doesn't have "package this app as wasm" capability but supports streaming/local apps only, that capability is currently being developed - together with WASI layers for all of the platforms.
That way your app can run either as a browser (DOM) app, browser canvas app, native desktop or native mobile app.
It's still early, but moving fast - I just added accessibility support, and the animation framework will be out this week.
Regarding the WASM disappointed, when I started building this about 6 years ago, WASM was in a terrible (barely usable without wasting a ton of time) state. Now that WASI 0.3 is out and LLMs have sped up development by a large margin, it's in a quite usable state to ship things to production without fear.
Crediting LLMs with advancing wasm is a disservice to the best-in-industry bytecodealliance community & org.