> Nothing in the article suggests or supports the idea of large-scale coordinated "distillation attacks"

Did you read the correct article? This is covered in the first paragraph:

https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

It directly addresses large-scale, coordinated 'distillation attacks' orchestrated by Chinese labs, which Anthropic accuses of exfiltrating tens of millions of exchanges. The rest of the article elaborates on how this is done. Specifically, how these labs use transfer stations mix in genuine user traffic to conceal the distillation.

> Your credit card claim is considerably weaker in the article

I only mentioned payments fraud because you asserted without evidence that Anthropic is actually getting paid for these tokens.

You wrote, without providing any sources, that these proxy services are "buying the product" and that "They paid for it!"; and used that as justification for their behavior.

My counterpoint directly invalidates that assumption. While perhaps not every single reseller relies on fraud, you blindly generalized that these proxy services are all legitimate, paying customers.

In reality, the industry exists on shady practices. As detailed by this industry insider https://x.com/yan5xu/status/2029743983522631698 , these operations routinely:

* Use botnets to mass-create thousands of accounts

* Blatantly violate ToS by splitting and reselling account access

* Use fraudulent identities to create thousands of bot accounts

* Bypass KYC by recruiting real people in low-income countries for biometric face-matching checks for a few dollars

* Use AI deepfakes to fake passports / verification credentials

You can't claim they "They paid for it!" when the entire system is built on systematic fraud.

I read the article you linked:

https://www.chinatalk.media/p/how-to-buy-cheap-claude-tokens...

I know that Anthropic claims that "large-scale coordinated "distillation attacks"" exist. They are not a disinterested party here and they don't provide evidence either.

Also you're just moving goalposts around. The article you linked also cites Anthropics claim but then paints a much much mor nuanced picture.

I enjoy your detailed breakdown of how exactly they pay anthropic for access to their models but I am unclear about how “I think they’re bad” means that they didn’t pay for it

Can you elaborate on “it doesn’t count as a sale if I don’t like them even if I accept the money and give them what they paid for”? Like if you work at a gas station and you realize that the guy that just bought a hot dog bullied you in middle school do you call the cops?

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