But if we fixed it, that might help people who can't afford the ride otherwise. And we cannot have that.
--- Says far too many people, always.But if we fixed it, that might help people who can't afford the ride otherwise. And we cannot have that.
--- Says far too many people, always.
But do they really? Can you point a real, evil villain saying that?
Here you go: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48857068
I think we are all villains here. Good healthcare coverage is just another status symbol to be attained. If the poor have it then it becomes less of a value. To some degree we are all wired this way and we all suffer because of it.
I'm not sure I agree. Poor health is not always obvious and your health insurance provider is not conspicuous in most interactions.
You're getting down voted, but there's substance here. A "job with benefits" is a badge of honor for some. That means they've "worked hard" and "earned it".
I have had VASTLY better free health coverage (OHP, Portland OR via Providence) than the current Kaiser dreck I and employer pay significant sums for.
Healthcare is not a flex, and it my experiences on the west coast, it's an inverse correlation to wealth. :/
>I think we are all villains here. Good healthcare coverage is just another status symbol to be attained.
Seriously? How many conversations have you been in where people were bragging about how good their health coverage is and trying to one-up each other? The extent I've experienced is stuff along the lines of "thank god I had my health plan, because otherwise it would have cost [6 figures]", but it didn't give the impression that they'd be mad if everyone didn't have to suffer that fate.
Not a one. But... I have had many conversations with people who feel they have "earned" healthcare because they "worked hard" and finally obtained a "job with benefits".
And this is exactly why those same people do NOT want universal healthcare.
> How many conversations have you been in where people were bragging about how good their health coverage is and trying to one-up each other
Do imaginary conversations in the shower count?
See everyone who decries student loan forgiveness as an example.
Government subsidized sudent loan forgiveness is a regressive tax, though, which makes it quite unpopular in the non educated that on average earn less.
The root cause is still cultural. Nobody wants to pay taxes that are helping someone else. Whether that "other" is in a different economic class, different race, different gender, has different political beliefs, lives in a different state, it's always the same mentality: "I don't want my tax dollars to pay for people I have determined to be 'others' and culturally different from me." Heaven forbid someone who doesn't deserve it or doesn't need it, get help.
But that is not the topic being discussed. Is it?
Sure, in a given public discussion, lots of people saying that show up. But substantial portion of those are shills, not necessarily people to say but who benefit from the scam. And some people who are paid, public relations people acting on the downlow, etc.