I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job.
Can Americans do that?
I can say "I hate the orange clown (insert any other politician) and actively dislike everyone that voted for him", without getting a call from HR.
Can they?
I can't even enter the USA if I share some of the social media accounts like I'm legally required to do.
The 'free speech absolutists' are all calling for censorship in this thread.
So much for free speech.
Yes Americans can do both, unless their boss dislikes it, but that applies the world over.
> that applies the world over
It does not. Plenty of countries have functioning labor laws preventing you from being fired for your religious or political opinions.
Um yeah you can do all of that without legal consequences. HR is not the government. Are these your best examples?
A society that values free expression should be uncomfortable with people being fired merely for holding a different political opinion from their boss.
In the Netherlands, “political opinion” is explicitly listed as a protected discrimination ground.
And in Europe generally, employee speech can fall under freedom of expression, though courts balance that against the employer’s interests, reputation, workplace disruption, etc.
Meanwhile, in the US you'll get fired by phone while your boss is golfing.
Freedom baby.
>I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job.
Unless you live in the UK
https://old.reddit.com/r/justifiedpolitics/comments/1uocwp4/...
You understand that there is a difference between just expressing your opinion in a normal way, and, on purpose, creating confrontational situations, right?
This guy is totally free to say he hates organised religion. He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation.
>He is not free to be a prick and go out of his way to try to get into a confrontation.
You mean like saying at work you hate all organised religions, unprompted, like OP wants to do?
Why do you say OP wants that?
They said:
> I can say "I'm an atheist and I hate organised religion" without losing my job.
It did not say they say it at work, or unprompted.
I think in US, if you mention it in a discussion on this subject at the water cooler between friends, it can have an impact on your work, you need to be careful (but I will not die on this hill, I don't think it's the important point anyway). The spirit of OP was about "talking about it", in a "normal way", I don't understand why you are saying that it is impossible to say you hate all organised religions without doing it unprompted or confrontationally.
As for the video, come on, you really don't see the problem? Police usually are drilled to arrest people who can inflame the situation, and this is why they are acting here. I even wonder if it was not the goal of the guy in the first place, to generate clicks and arguing "see, we cannot express ourselves anymore".
HR is usually drilled to fire people who can generate bad publicity, and that's why they are acting in OP's situation.
Free speech preserved!
How is that free speech when you are fired for your opinion?
If you are fired because you are not "a pretty girl" and the argument is "the public prefer pretty girls, so we do it to increase sales", it is still discrimination, it is still sexist. It does not matter if you blame it on someone else: if you fire someone because of their opinion, you are discriminating. If the fact that someone has an opinion costs you some money, then it costs you some money, your financial profit is not important, you are not the centre of the universe, and if you act to preserve your profit over the fairness and justice, then you are just a parasite that should be excluded from a civilised society.