The aspect where they do not integrate and stay in their ethnic groups, where they bring their religion, where they do not adopt local tradition and customs, when they refuse to learn the language properly, where they refuse to work legally but still enjoy the fruits of public services
Oh? I did not realize there were warlord armies rampaging through the countryside in hope of establishing dynastic Muslim rule. Pat yourself on the head for such an astute historic parallel.
Why would they rampage through the countryside when western countries let them in without a fight?
Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here. Nobody considers any downsides of any sort, just lockstep agreement that it is a fundamental good.
Yet a single change to the behavior of Postgres will be met with wild, exuberant debate.
> Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here
"Dumbest" wouldn't be the word I'd use here, considering the views on immigration are sharply divided by education level. I reckon HN has an overrepresentation of people with (at least) a college degree, relative to the general population.
I don't know, but I'm not deranged enough to say that Muslim immigrants in my country are part of an invading force. All the ones I know are quite nice, actually.
Personally, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are.
but see, that's my point: you don't even have the ability to say what is good or bad migration. Ever. Because to do so would violate some religiously held viewpoint that you have that migration is always some inherent good and to say otherwise is some sort of blasphemy.
As I said above, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are. (It's possible to have sensible and humane immigration policy along any point on that axis.) Slandering immigrants as "invaders" or "parasites" should be met with the harshest possible rebuke, if not outright prosecution for hate speech.
The aspect where they do not integrate and stay in their ethnic groups, where they bring their religion, where they do not adopt local tradition and customs, when they refuse to learn the language properly, where they refuse to work legally but still enjoy the fruits of public services
I seem to recall some migration into Spain that eventually turned the peninsula into the Caliphate of Córdoba, which arguably wasn't very sustainable.
Oh? I did not realize there were warlord armies rampaging through the countryside in hope of establishing dynastic Muslim rule. Pat yourself on the head for such an astute historic parallel.
Why would they rampage through the countryside when western countries let them in without a fight?
Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here. Nobody considers any downsides of any sort, just lockstep agreement that it is a fundamental good.
Yet a single change to the behavior of Postgres will be met with wild, exuberant debate.
> Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here
"Dumbest" wouldn't be the word I'd use here, considering the views on immigration are sharply divided by education level. I reckon HN has an overrepresentation of people with (at least) a college degree, relative to the general population.
Ah, so these immigrants are indeed part of some sort of caliphate army — just one that was let in without a fight? Yes, that makes sense.
> Immigration on Hacker News is like the dumbest topic here.
Insert "We're All Trying To Find The Guy Who Did This" meme.
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I don't know, but I'm not deranged enough to say that Muslim immigrants in my country are part of an invading force. All the ones I know are quite nice, actually.
Personally, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are.
but see, that's my point: you don't even have the ability to say what is good or bad migration. Ever. Because to do so would violate some religiously held viewpoint that you have that migration is always some inherent good and to say otherwise is some sort of blasphemy.
I'm mocking your religious belief.
As I said above, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are. (It's possible to have sensible and humane immigration policy along any point on that axis.) Slandering immigrants as "invaders" or "parasites" should be met with the harshest possible rebuke, if not outright prosecution for hate speech.
Pretty illuminating IMO. And it's enough to completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Because clearly you do not see this as a two-way road.
I'll listen up when you start railing against China for their restrictive immigration policies.