No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons.
It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of autonomous weapons and also otherwise being ideology tightly coupled with the current US government.
>No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government
We don't know that it is Mythos level, it could very well be at (guardrailed) Fable or below.
This is not a wide open distribution, this is only being provided to hand picked partners, similar to how Mythos was distributed (unlike Fable which had wider distribution)
The larger question, which I don't see an answer to in this post:
1) was this tested and validated by the US Government?
2) is the list of partners vetted by the US Government?
If This is "mythos-class" AND
OR will this be shut down as quick? Otherwise, it is not really a comparable scenario.Isn't Fable just Mythos + prompt guardrails?
The guardrails i.e. the classifier would also fire on Fable's output and even Fable's internals (i.e. prior to the shutdown people would see it firing when Fable got angry)
https://x.com/repligate/status/2069150509978489287
Yes, limiting the full scope of capabilities, which is why I differentiated between Mythos (unrestricted) from guardrailed.
Main point being, we have no idea the measurable capabilities of this, it could be as great or better as unrestricted Mythos, or on par with guardrailed Fable.. or just OpenAI hype that measures up to neither.
The distinction is important because if it truly is a Mythos level (or even guardrailed Fable) it in theory would require that 30 day US government validation before release as well as oversight to the approved partners allowed to use it.
Op was drawing a parallel as to why we should be outraged at the double standard, I was drawing a better parallel by which to compare.
Correct.
I feel like we’re all just operating on vibes at this point (including the government). These models are already powerful and could probably be used to do some bad things even without the next gen.
Anthropic has successfully made their vibe the bringers of the end of the world so please stop us. ChatGPT is in some weird middle ground where they’re no longer the evil company of a year ago and are trying to act like the mature one in the business. XAI is the vanity project of a jealous kid who wants to ignore anyone elses opinion but is falling behind. Gemini is viewed as the less cool cousin and no one pays attention to since google has generally avoided the end of the world talk (coincidentally I think gemini has the best non-coding model but no one seems to talk about that)
I think each company has been treated in the wider discourse based on their vibe and no one is operating on facts here since it’s all pretty obfuscated intentionally. I could see some things going very bad as a result of these models but I also don’t believe anyone who’s just pattern matching to their favorite scifi book here and we’re all playing into it. May as well go outside for a bit and enjoy the sun.
Maybe if Anthropic haven't called it too dangerous for public things could be different?
We should be basing public policy on facts not marketing language.
This assumes that the people in charge for public policy understand the technology beyond the marketing. Which I don’t think is this case based on the track record of policymakers when it comes to essentially any technology.
Amazon CEO literally told US gov officials that it could be jailbroken and is dangerous. That was a fact (or from the pov of the gov it was). If they were going to ban based on marketing, all LLMs models would have been banned by now.
Why? You can’t yell fire in a crowded place, but “this is going to destroy the world, sign up now” is okay?
Most things should be fact based, but you also should have limits to your marketing
Did Anthropic say "this is going to destroy the world, sign up now"? The details matter quite a lot actually in free speech cases.
Should a nuclear energy startup that says "nuclear weapons are very dangerous and should be regulated" be liable to have its assets frozen?
Huh? This is like saying "Maybe she should not be wearing too revealing dress" about a rape victim.
Also the fact that the president’s daughter, son in law, and his brother have a significant amount of their net worth invested in OpenAI via Thrive.
Entirely possible but let's give it some time to see if they try to make it GA and if the DoD sends them a letter.
Interesting beside the time when Anthropic were banned for not allowing the MoW to use claude to kill people, then OpenAI come in and swoop up the contract.
That's not what happened.
DoD signed a contract with Anthropic that said it can't use Claude 1) to run a fully-autonomous killchain or 2) to surveil Americans.
DoD then decided they did not want to abide by the contract they signed, and they've since launched a pressure campaign to coerce Anthropic into reneging on the terms they already agreed to.
It's 1) Not mythos class 2) restricted to "security partners"
They at least claim that it is greater than Mythos class[0]
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48642254
They show one security benchmark where its above Mythos.
That doesn't mean it matches Mythos ability to write functional exploits.
Maybe it is, maybe it's not. They don't tell.
Do you think that Anthropic's models would have been pulled if they did not say for months how their models is basically going to break the whole internet and that governments should most definitely restrict AI? I doubt it.
The problem is, though, given Anthropic have said all of that, they really have very little grounds for objecting to the US government's intervention here. Everything that the government would have to prove to justify their intervention has already been freely admitted by Anthropic, even though the "admission" was maybe more intended as a marketing ploy.
Man, some of you will invent conspiracy theories to justify some deeply cynical fiction. OAI has been more proactive about doing customer KYC than A\.
OpenAI, four months ago, started to require users to verify their identity if they flagged their activities on frontier models (gpt-5.3-codex and higher) as risky. Their filters were originally quite coarse and it resulted in a ton of normal tasks being flagged. There was a lot of drama about it at the time, but it seems like things have smoothed out.
KYC goes back to a year or two ago. API access to gpt-image-1 required it.
https://openai.com/index/trusted-access-for-cyber/
And some of you really are ingenuous... Like the US government cares anything about that.
Donald Trump cares about it and frequently uses our government to abuse people he does not like, to carry out grudges and vendettas.
There is no doubt in my mind that he is personally pissed because Anthropic stood up to him.
Oh! So the new openai model is limited to US residents and they use their existing KYC process to verify it?
That makes sense if both openai and anthropic have export restrictions on their similar models. If they didn't then it seems like the comment you're replying to may be correct.
OAI has definitely been doing KYC for a lot longer than Anthropic.
Guess this is how capitalism works? The bestest example we might get from the original inventors so to say.
Why do you want to tax openai on anthropic's fud mistake?
Conspiracy theory. You should be shamed for this idea.
Mythos is a serious model; the NSA said it compromised them in hours.
This is a marketing article.
"Let’s just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he’d be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'."
This quote from Pratchett pretty well summarizes Anthropic marketing approach. OAI are quite more restrained in advertising their model's doomsday abilities which greatly diminishes the pretexts that USG can use.
Two things can both be true - that Trump's administration is petty and vindicative and that Anthropic are reckless and not doing their best in winning hearts and minds.
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