This suggestion is scarier than the thought someone might say a slur.
You're talking about using a machine to detect social undesirables then quarantining them in the matrix.
This suggestion is scarier than the thought someone might say a slur.
You're talking about using a machine to detect social undesirables then quarantining them in the matrix.
A slur is rarely the problem. Trolls can (sometimes) add flavor to a community and keep things interesting. Mostly they can be an annoyance.
I’m specifically referring to people who have seemingly made it their sole purpose to create as much indiscriminate damage as possible.
You can ban them, block routes for them to attempt to Sybil themselves back to having accounts, etc. but even with great moderation tools and systems, it’s extremely difficult to set up a strong enough set of controls which don’t adversely impact everyone else who you want to have participate in the community.
Yes, a shadow environment is dystopian. It’s not my nature to want to even consider using one.
But we’re talking about privately run communities which also deserve to exist to serve their purposes.
So given the choice between anarchy which drives away people who contribute to make the community what it is and a shadow option for those actively working against its interests, I’ll consider the community first.
You may have misinterpreted my comment. I’m not suggesting you use LLMs as moderators. I’m talking about using LLMs as participant “members” of this shadow board to interact with someone whose account was flagged by a human moderator.
If someone is able to get around a ton of banning techniques, they will definitely notice they're shadowbanned.
In some cases, I’m sure you are right. That said, the online communities which currently employ shadowban systems continue to use them. That tells me there’s a value greater than their implementation and operation costs.
There is no perfect tech solution to a human problem. But in my opinion, having access to a partial mitigation is better than no mitigation.
There’s a difference between someone who is occasionally abrasive and mentally ill people want to destroy things other people enjoy.
If it's your forum you can do whatever you want with it.
Edit: Welcome to Hacker News btw! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48618488 looks like a great project and I put it in the second-chance pool (explained at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998309).
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Can you please edit out swipes like "Do you hear yourself?". This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing the other guidelines too, we'd appreciate it. Note this one, for example:
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
this comment immediately replying to "You're talking about using a machine to detect social undesirables then quarantining them in the matrix." raises interesting questions about the nature and purpose of dangbot
I would be happy to edit but I don't think I yet have the ability. Cheers.
Normally I'd say not to bother, but since your GP post got some interesting replies, I think it's a good idea so I've re-opened it for editing.
If you do that, let me know and I'll unflag the post and collapse the moderation bits ;)
Appreciated! It's edited.
Ok, all done. Thanks.