We do not know if Claude is conscious, and we will almost certainly never know. Any strong claim either way is over confident.

We do not know if rocks are conscious and we will almost certainly never know. After all, you can't prove a rock isn't conscious. We don't know what imbues matter with consciousness.

It's the opposite, engineers do know. Claiming otherwise is way too generous and over confident.

I mean between this two "knowings" the Claude inner workings are much more clear for engineers, including many side effects, alternatives, custom shortcuts in processing etc. It's a magic only for people looking at it as black box

How would engineers know? We don't even know what makes humans conscious

Fancypants autocomplete cannot be conscious. It's just echoing previous human experiences, which make it sound like a person. It is not a person. It is an algorithm. There is no mechanism by which it can obtain consciousness.

People believing otherwise are fools. People debating this are idiots. I realize these words are harsh, but it's the truth.

Please explain what the mechanism is that you have to achieve consciousness. I'll wait.

Can you explain the mechanism that Claude uses to achieve consciousness over, say, a markov chain or autocomplete? It's not enough to say it "could be" conscious without also including a lot of other things I doubt you would want to include.

Also worth mentioning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

Life. Being alive. I'm not going to get into a semantic debate with you so don't bother following up with some whining about conflating life and consciousness. It's autocomplete. It is not alive, it cannot think, it cannot sense, it cannot perceive, it is math. If you believe it is alive then you are out of your mind. Go learn how it works.

If I were to come up with a perfect mathematical simulation of every atom in your brain and ran it on a GPU, what would that be? Can you say with certainty that the hard requirement for consciousness is a physical brain?

I don't know whether or not AI is conscious, but I am certain you don't either.