> Hard to claim the moral high ground if you do eye for an eye.
I do not claim the moral high ground. My moral is more flexible, than just "an eye for an eye" or "be nicer than the other side". I can do any of that depending on a situation. I'm starting any communication with the latter, it is a consequence of my upbringing, but if it doesn't work I may do anything. I want to note, I know that "be nicer than the other side" works oftentimes, people are entering into a communication in some emotional state and with some expectations, and these things can change during the communication. So I let my upbringing to try it first not just because of upbringing, but because I know the value of it.
> one can leave such situations without being rude back or making a scene.
One can. And I can. However there are situations when I just don't want to. A series of interviews that took my time just to end with the rudeness, so I just wasted my time is one of these situations. If they wanted to hire pushovers they could write it upfront in the requirements for applicants, I wouldn't bother them.
Agreed. Wasting applicants time should have consequences. I can play along for a little bit to appease people who are intentionally testing how I handle a difficult situation but I am not going to allow an extended waste of time to occur and that's something I want to communicate to potential employers as well
> Wasting applicants time should have consequences.
The consequence is that they don't get to enjoy your competence as an employee nor that of others who don't feel treated well, with implications for their future strength in the market. That's a much stronger consequence that being rude for a moment to somebody who doesn't care anyway.
> Agreed. Wasting applicants time should have consequences.
This is so funny. "I'll show them by being slightly obnoxious for ten minutes! Then they'll know not to mess with me!"
I'm sure they'll really feel those consequences.
the consequences are that they dont get to be in charge of the time anymore and i stop entertaining the interview game. its not about "showing them" or giving them some sort of punishment, it would be about me relaxing into behavior I want do regardless of them. Which for me would likely be a brief statement that they are losing me as a general professional courtesy and then hanging up on them because I almost certainly have better things to be doing with my time
but having already blocked the time off it's also completely reasonable to take 5 or 10 minutes to farm them for some content for my personal life like the other commentator stated, more or less.
it's not a calculated maneuver centered around them. The purpose of stating that consequences exist is because there are people out there who genuinely believe you have to be a monkey and jump through all the hoops of whatever any employer asks and would condemn someone for trolling a blatant tie waster for 10 minutes. My intent with this public discourse is to give the trolling a pass, not uplift it as some sort of standard of justice
It's easy to be nice in the beginning or when the other side is nice. Point is to be nice even if the other side is rude or wants conflict. In a sense you are giving in to their game if you are rude back. What really hits them is if their counterpart can't be bothered to be rude back.
Beautifully spoken, you take the words out of my mouth.