Maybe if Iran had a nuke Israel would cut back on sexual torture of detainees and indiscriminate bombing of vast swaths of densely populated land. And maybe the US would think twice about spending $10 trillion fighting pointless wars in the region. I’m in favor of that scenario.
> Maybe if Iran had a nuke Israel would cut back on sexual torture of detainees and indiscriminate bombing of vast swaths of densely populated land.
Aside from the fact that Iran and its proxies do this, you have to remember that Israel very likely has nukes and so if Iran gets a nuke what exactly are they going to do with it in the scenario you described? Nuke Tel Aviv? Israel would just nuke them back.
> And maybe the US would think twice about spending $10 trillion fighting pointless wars in the region.
Idk if your figure is right, seems too high, but you are incorrect here because if Iran had a nuke the US could still invade Iraq or Afghanistan.
And honestly maybe it wasn't worth the money but Iraq is doing much better, has a functioning parliament, &c. Maybe that's the problem - it's like Iran's regime is jealous that people can live in peace and don't have to be whipped up into a fury to go murder other people and Iraq is just showing them how it's done. It reminds me of the former Soviet countries where Russia sees they are doing much better without Russia and gets jealous.
I was not implying that Iran would or should use nuclear weapons. Only acquire them. For the same reason I think it’s a good thing the USSR acquired nuclear weapons. Mutually assured destruction has proven to be incredibly effective at preventing the use of nuclear weapons, and preventing hot war (not proxy wars though).
I think if Iran acquired nuclear weapons the region would stabilize. Israel would be forced to stop the genocide and land grabs, because they would no longer hold a monopoly on nuclear weapons in the region.
Regarding the cost of the Iraq war it was at least $3T. Likely a lot more. My $10T estimate isn’t exactly mainstream but $3T is a solid floor: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/true-cost-iraq-war-...
“Maybe it wasn’t worth the money”
You say that casually. As of $3 trillion wouldn’t have dramatically improved the lives of tens of millions of Americans. As opposed to killing several thousand military members and a million+ Iraqi civilians.
Evil really is pretty banal I guess.
> For the same reason I think it’s a good thing the USSR acquired nuclear weapons.
Well by your own logic this was a bad thing because it lead to the nuclear arms race and all that money could have been spent making the lives of Soviet citizens better instead. Of course, the Soviet Union just made the lives of millions of people worse for a long time, murdered millions of its own citizens, and the vestiges of that evil and stupid government are yet again today attacking the peaceful people of Ukraine.
> I think if Iran acquired nuclear weapons the region would stabilize. Israel would be forced to stop the genocide and land grabs, because they would no longer hold a monopoly on nuclear weapons in the region.
Iran is going to nuke Israel over some settlements? Yea no. Plus Israel would nuke them back. It’s a good thing though that Israel has nuclear weapons right? Seeing as you are in favor of nuclear proliferation. Once Iran gets them the US should give the Gulf States[1] nukes too so next time Iran thinks it can shut down maritime trade they can be on the receiving end of a nuke. Yay! But let’s pretend you care about the lives of others, in fact you care so much you want to make nuclear conflict more likely.
> You say that casually. As of $3 trillion wouldn’t have dramatically improved the lives of tens of millions of Americans. As opposed to killing several thousand military members and a million+ Iraqi civilians.
Sure it would have, not going to find disagreement from me there. But we did the war, and Iraq is much better off now. It was probably worth it from the Iraqi perspective. I think the long arc of history will prove that out. But, as an isolationist like you we could have better spent that money at home. Same thing with all the free stuff we give other countries for military stability. I’m sure you appreciate Trump’s approach though with beginning to charge countries money for our military protection. Have to ensure our people are better off.
> Evil really is pretty banal I guess.
Which evil? Russia’s invasion of Ukraine supported with Iranian weapons? Iran’s murder of 30,000+ civilians? Iran’s giving money to terror groups to murder people and destabilize countries like Lebanon? Perhaps it’s the banal evil of Maduro causing 1/3rd of the population of Venezuela to flee and ruining the country’s economy?
I’d recommend less pearl-clutching and more contact with the facts. It seems that you’ve become confused to the point where you are advocating for genocidal maniacs like Iran’s regime to have nuclear weapons. Mind you, the Iranian people don’t want this. Why is it you stand against America and the people of Iran in favor of the IRGC and Ayatollah. Does that not seem strange to you?
[1] If you want other countries to get nukes, the US can supply the following countries: Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Argentina, Gulf States, Israel Ukraine, any anyone else we think we should give nukes to.
Go fuck yourself you fucking snake