A former coworker of mine walks funny because he had polio as a child, and his father worked for the railway union after WWII. He told me one day in high school, one of his friends came to school with bruises couldn’t hide, inflicted by his drunk father. Everyone in school knew, everyone in town knew, but no one did anything.
My coworker informed his dad, about the egregious injuries that day. His dad drove to the drunk man’s house and knocked on the door and seized the drunk man by the collar: “if you ever touch that boy again, I’ll kill you.”
The threat must have been believable coming from a rail union worker, because it rehabilitated the recipient’s decision making processes going forward.
> father would lose the responsibility for his child
This HN discussion of systemic abuse in US Catholic orphanages last century also discusses vast, documented ongoing abuse in both religious and state run care/foster systems around the globe. Statistically, these systems cause more abuse than they prevent, and should only be a last resort.
I'm not an expert in all nations but systemic abuse in abuse prevention systems is not uniquely american. For instance, the British care system seems consistent with American results - a Brit I talked to told me that in year, roughly 1 in 2 children report sexual abuse at the hands of their caretaker or an older child. It's hard to tell the extent of the unreported abuses. And yet, widespread abuses doesn't preclude the possibility of children escaping unharmed. I'm glad you made it through.
> My coworker informed his dad, about the egregious injuries that day. His dad drove to the drunk man’s house and knocked on the door and seized the drunk man by the collar: “if you ever touch that boy again, I’ll kill you.”
Yeah that wouldn’t fly nowadays. Your friend’s father would be hot with a slew of charges from “terroristic threats” to “meanacing”
Yes. I think bullying should automatically lead to bully being shipped to suitable facility where they are rehabilited. It must be done to protect other children. Best way is to remove the perpetrator not the victim. Adults and evil monsters should stop excusing bullying with something like bad home conditions. If home conditions are bad remove them from that home. Or at least remove them from places where they can cause suffering to others.
Deterrent can be an effective form of rehab.
A former coworker of mine walks funny because he had polio as a child, and his father worked for the railway union after WWII. He told me one day in high school, one of his friends came to school with bruises couldn’t hide, inflicted by his drunk father. Everyone in school knew, everyone in town knew, but no one did anything.
My coworker informed his dad, about the egregious injuries that day. His dad drove to the drunk man’s house and knocked on the door and seized the drunk man by the collar: “if you ever touch that boy again, I’ll kill you.”
The threat must have been believable coming from a rail union worker, because it rehabilitated the recipient’s decision making processes going forward.
And today the drunk father would lose the responsibility for his child which is a better and non violent answer.
> father would lose the responsibility for his child
This HN discussion of systemic abuse in US Catholic orphanages last century also discusses vast, documented ongoing abuse in both religious and state run care/foster systems around the globe. Statistically, these systems cause more abuse than they prevent, and should only be a last resort.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17852129
Why do you assume that it works such in America = world wide? I was in such a system but I was a relief. But not America
I'm not an expert in all nations but systemic abuse in abuse prevention systems is not uniquely american. For instance, the British care system seems consistent with American results - a Brit I talked to told me that in year, roughly 1 in 2 children report sexual abuse at the hands of their caretaker or an older child. It's hard to tell the extent of the unreported abuses. And yet, widespread abuses doesn't preclude the possibility of children escaping unharmed. I'm glad you made it through.
> He told me one day in high school, one of his friends came to school with bruises couldn’t hide, inflicted by his drunk father.
Sorry, you're telling this story as a way of supporting beating kids...?
> My coworker informed his dad, about the egregious injuries that day. His dad drove to the drunk man’s house and knocked on the door and seized the drunk man by the collar: “if you ever touch that boy again, I’ll kill you.”
Yeah that wouldn’t fly nowadays. Your friend’s father would be hot with a slew of charges from “terroristic threats” to “meanacing”
Yes. I think bullying should automatically lead to bully being shipped to suitable facility where they are rehabilited. It must be done to protect other children. Best way is to remove the perpetrator not the victim. Adults and evil monsters should stop excusing bullying with something like bad home conditions. If home conditions are bad remove them from that home. Or at least remove them from places where they can cause suffering to others.
> Rehabilitation and figuring out why they are bullying is the correct response in a civilized society.
Your so called “civilized societies” have continuously failed at this though.
You can’t keep failing and then demand your method is the correct method.
How Germany or Denmark or Sweden failed?
>How Germany
Do you really need examples of Germany failing as a civilized society?
Id like to hear. At least people aren't beaten up by teachers or in custody.
Yes?
I hope you know that there are Germans on this site, so don't try any fox news bullshit.
Geez so this is the German sense of humor. Fox news bullshit? Come on.
Generically the term also includes Ellison news bullshit.
> "Rehabilitation and figuring out why they are bullying is the correct response in a civilized society."
Then why doesn't the "correct response" work in practice? We are clearly not seeing its effectiveness in real life.