> It also fails to note that most of the energy ends up us waste heat.

I've heard the statistic that 40% of the total oil pumped out of the ground just to transporting oil. We use almost half just to move it to and fro before even using it.

Is this accurate?

This can't be accurate.

Let's say a barrel of oil travels 15,000 km from Saudi Arabia to Texas, gets refined, gets shipped another 10,000 km to Europe, then the last 1,000 km overland by truck.

This reasonably well sourced Reddit post [0] says big oil tankers burn 0.1% of their fuel per 1,000 km, smaller ones a bit more. Say 0.2% on aggregate, that's 5% for the whole journey, 10% because the ship is empty half the time.

From the same source, a truck burns about 3% per 1,000 km. This seems too high: for a 40,000 kg loaded truck that's less than 1 kmpl or 2.5 mpg. But let's believe it, double it for empty journeys, and we still only get 16%.

I used very conservative estimates here: surely most oil doesn't travel anywhere near that far.

Alternative thought experiment: look at the traffic on the highway. If this were true, even neglecting oil burnt for heating or electricity or aviation, you'd expect 40% of the vehicles to be tanker trucks.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2jozd7/e...

> you'd expect 40% of the vehicles to be tanker trucks.

I’d expect tanker trucks to carry far more fuel than the typical vehicle.

> Say 0.2% on aggregate, that's 5% for the whole journey, 10% because the ship is empty half the time.

Fuel saves from slow steaming and being empty are massive.

> If this were true, even neglecting oil burnt for heating or electricity or aviation, you'd expect 40% of the vehicles to be tanker trucks.

The US has a lot of domestic pipelines [1], and a lot of the remainder is done by train [2] because trains are the most efficient way to transport bulk goods over extremely long distances.

[1] https://www.bts.gov/geography/geospatial-portal/us-petroleum...

[2] https://www.aar.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/AAR-US-Rail-C...

I suspect this is confusion between the statistic that 40% of global shipping traffic is transportation of fossil fuels.

https://qz.com/2113243/forty-percent-of-all-shipping-cargo-c...

Say a tanker truck has a roughly 300 gallon fuel tank and a 10,000 gallon payload tank (per google). Thats roughly 3% loss to cross a lot of the US, which is by no means insignificant but assuming ships are not any worse and the pipeline to the ship is minimal, around a manageable 6% loss.

Trucks need a lot more infrastructure in a lot more places than ships, though. I guess that's not often factored in.

I very much doubt that number. Maybe it was referring to 40% of the price of oil for consumers comes from the stages after pumping?

I also don’t have a source, but I have heard that 15% of global energy is dedicated to handling petroleum (extracting, transporting, refining) which feels like a plausible number.

This doesn't math out to me just based on what I know of energy consumption numbers.

Sounds really dubious to me. Tankers and pipelines are really efficient.

I would not believe it at all without source.

Maybe someone got confused by "transportation" altogether being major consumer?

It must be way higher if you really got into it

i.e. A friend that works on rigs is flown to and from rigs from anywhere on earth every month, then choppers out to the rig and back. Same for everyone that works on the rigs.

The helicopter fuel is a drop in the oil ocean. You can just check this but checking how much oil that rig produces per month. How many flights the helicopter does every month and the amount of oil needed for it. It’s gonna be a drop in the bucket. Otherwise it would not be profitable to drill for oil.

And? Given how much typical oil rig produces this would not be a serious part of its production.