> I've tried using qwen and deepseek but they can't even output documents

What agent harness did you use? Usually, "write_file", "shell_exec" or similar is two of the first tools you add to an agent harness, after read_file/list_files. If it doesn't have those tools, unsure if you could even call it a agent harness in the first place.

Sorry for the confusion, I was actually talking about their Web based chat. Since most of my work is governance and docs, I just use their Web chats and they just refuse to output proper documents like Claude or Chatgpt do.

Aha... Well, I let Codex (Claude Code would work too) manage/troubleshoot .xlsx files too, seems to handle it just fine (it tends to un-archive them and browse the resulting XML files without issues), seen it do similar stuff for .app and .docx files too so maybe give that a try with other harnesses/models too, they might get it :)

Yeah, it's just way easier to do via the web/mobile app but I'll give using it via the CLI a try. Thanks :)

You're not giving an AI command line access to your work computer? How do you expect to keep up? /s

You give it command line access in a VM...

i give it in real ubuntu, no vm, no docker. so long I don't ask it to organize files, it will behave. it has not screw me so far.

I only run it with --dangerously-skip-permissions. YOLO!

Godspeed

You mean a VM like the one that contains a 0day that can escape the sandbox that gets found every year at pwn2own?

Presumably you’re also using a browser to view this web page. There have also been vulnerabilities in that. You have to draw a line somewhere.

I run mine as a separate unprivileged user. (No VM.) Am I pwned?

Maybe, but the sort of 0days you're talking about aren't exploited in any meaningful way for almost all developers.

"Seatbelts don't save the life of everyone who gets into an accident, so why bother wearing one?"

You can make a harness fully functional with just the "shell_exec" tool if you give it access to a linux/unix environment + playwright cli.