Self-reported studies are arguably weaker evidence, but are common in some areas for ethics reasons. In general, if errors are truly random, than they will cancel out over larger/frequent population samples.
The study conclusion inferred the skills needed to be effective at some task, are the same skills needed to correctly evaluate if you are actually proficient at the same tasks.
If the data infers another explanation is more applicable, than I'd be interested in the primary papers/studies the editorialized opinion seems to have omitted. =3
I guess you linking to it was a self fulfilling prophecy
If you read your own reference (not the picture, but where you took it from on Wikipedia) really really carefully, you might be able to tell why it so perfectly applies to you
The person with little knowledge overestimates they're capability, and the person which actually knows how complicated [the thing] is , usually isn't as confident they mastered it.
You’re talking about a confidence and ability gap. I have heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I accept all of that.
But the claim above was that having low confidence was correlated to higher skill. Ie, skill and confidence are anti correlated. The chart does not show that. The lowest data point for confidence is the point on the left of the chart. This is also the data point corresponding to people who have the least competence. Having low confidence is not evidence that you’re secretly an expert. Confidence and competence are still positively correlated according to that chart.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is not so strong that there are scores of novices convinced they are experts in a field. But in your case, I admit the data may not tell the full story.
That isn't what that shows, and the article you linked to even warns:
> In popular culture, the Dunning–Kruger effect is sometimes misunderstood as claiming that people with low intelligence are generally overconfident, instead of denoting specific overconfidence of people unskilled at particular areas.
Dunning-Kruger has also been discredited with suggestion they may have been over confident themselves:
Debunking the Dunning‑Kruger effect – the least skilled people know how much they don’t know, but everyone thinks they are better than average (2023)https://theconversation.com/debunking-the-dunning-kruger-eff... the Dunning‑Kruger effect – the least skilled people know how much they don’t know, but everyone thinks they are better than average
Self-reported studies are arguably weaker evidence, but are common in some areas for ethics reasons. In general, if errors are truly random, than they will cancel out over larger/frequent population samples.
The study conclusion inferred the skills needed to be effective at some task, are the same skills needed to correctly evaluate if you are actually proficient at the same tasks.
Or put another way, the <5% population of narcissists by their nature become evasive when their egos are perceived as threatened. Thus, often will pose a challenge in a team setting, as compulsive lying or LLM turd-polishing is orthogonal to most real world tasks.
People are not as unique as they like to believe, and spotting problems is trivial after you meet around 3000 people. Best to avoid the nonsense, and get outside to enjoy life. Have a great day =3
No idea why we all get negative karma on this thread, as I do respect a cited source opinion even if we disagree. Do have a look around for papers rather than editorialized content in the future, and note account LLM agent output is a violation of YC usage policy. Have a great day =3
Why would anyone settle for underpaid positions from an agency taking a 7% contract cut, and purging CVs from any external firm also contracting with their services.
Most people figure out this scam very early in life, but some cling to terrible jobs for unfathomable reasons. =3
If folks expect someone to solve problems for them, than 100% people end up unhappy. The old idea of loyalty buying a 30 year career with vertical movement died sometime in the 1990s.
Ikigai chart will help narrow down why people are unhappy:
> If folks expect someone to solve problems for them
In this type of situation, the fundamental issue is that making progress depends on many people acting in unison to increase their bargaining power, which is (a) hard to arrange even if everyone who acted this way would benefit, and (b) actually may be detrimental to some people (usually the high performers).
I agree it is nearly impossible to alter the inertia of existing firms. Most have entrenched process people that defend how things are done right up until a company enters insolvency. Fine if you sell soda or rubber tires, but a death knell for technology or media firms.
In my observations it is usually conditioned fear, personal debt-driven risk aversion, and or failure to even ask if the department above you is really necessary. These days, it is almost always easier to go to another firm if you want a promotion. =3
Even if you're not correct, I respect your positivity and constructive attitude
It's good to raise people's expectations of themselves
Self-reported studies are arguably weaker evidence, but are common in some areas for ethics reasons. In general, if errors are truly random, than they will cancel out over larger/frequent population samples.
The study conclusion inferred the skills needed to be effective at some task, are the same skills needed to correctly evaluate if you are actually proficient at the same tasks.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.02151
If the data infers another explanation is more applicable, than I'd be interested in the primary papers/studies the editorialized opinion seems to have omitted. =3
No it doesn't. The people with the lowest self perception also have the lowest actual skill. Look at the chart:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect#...
I guess you linking to it was a self fulfilling prophecy
If you read your own reference (not the picture, but where you took it from on Wikipedia) really really carefully, you might be able to tell why it so perfectly applies to you
The person with little knowledge overestimates they're capability, and the person which actually knows how complicated [the thing] is , usually isn't as confident they mastered it.
Your take on that makes absolutely no sense
You’re talking about a confidence and ability gap. I have heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I accept all of that.
But the claim above was that having low confidence was correlated to higher skill. Ie, skill and confidence are anti correlated. The chart does not show that. The lowest data point for confidence is the point on the left of the chart. This is also the data point corresponding to people who have the least competence. Having low confidence is not evidence that you’re secretly an expert. Confidence and competence are still positively correlated according to that chart.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is not so strong that there are scores of novices convinced they are experts in a field. But in your case, I admit the data may not tell the full story.
"Nor would a wise man, seeing that he was in a hole, go to work and blindly dig it deeper..." ( The Washington Post dated 25 October 1911 )
"Baloney Detection Kit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ
Best regards =3
That isn't what that shows, and the article you linked to even warns:
> In popular culture, the Dunning–Kruger effect is sometimes misunderstood as claiming that people with low intelligence are generally overconfident, instead of denoting specific overconfidence of people unskilled at particular areas.
Dunning-Kruger has also been discredited with suggestion they may have been over confident themselves:
The Dunning-Kruger Effect Is Probably Not Real (2020) https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking/dunning-...
Debunking the Dunning‑Kruger effect – the least skilled people know how much they don’t know, but everyone thinks they are better than average (2023) https://theconversation.com/debunking-the-dunning-kruger-eff... the Dunning‑Kruger effect – the least skilled people know how much they don’t know, but everyone thinks they are better than average
Are you replying to the wrong comment? The person you're responding to seems to make the same point
Self-reported studies are arguably weaker evidence, but are common in some areas for ethics reasons. In general, if errors are truly random, than they will cancel out over larger/frequent population samples.
The study conclusion inferred the skills needed to be effective at some task, are the same skills needed to correctly evaluate if you are actually proficient at the same tasks.
Or put another way, the <5% population of narcissists by their nature become evasive when their egos are perceived as threatened. Thus, often will pose a challenge in a team setting, as compulsive lying or LLM turd-polishing is orthogonal to most real world tasks.
People are not as unique as they like to believe, and spotting problems is trivial after you meet around 3000 people. Best to avoid the nonsense, and get outside to enjoy life. Have a great day =3
No idea why we all get negative karma on this thread, as I do respect a cited source opinion even if we disagree. Do have a look around for papers rather than editorialized content in the future, and note account LLM agent output is a violation of YC usage policy. Have a great day =3
https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.02151
Doesn’t matter if the recruiter doesn’t call you back because you’re not a 1000x engineer.
Why would anyone settle for underpaid positions from an agency taking a 7% contract cut, and purging CVs from any external firm also contracting with their services.
Most people figure out this scam very early in life, but some cling to terrible jobs for unfathomable reasons. =3
> Why would anyone settle for
The answer to such questions is always that, given their circumstances, they have no realistic choice not to.
This is very obvious, and it's frustrating to continually see people pretend otherwise.
> they have no realistic choice not to
If folks expect someone to solve problems for them, than 100% people end up unhappy. The old idea of loyalty buying a 30 year career with vertical movement died sometime in the 1990s.
Ikigai chart will help narrow down why people are unhappy:
https://stevelegler.com/2019/02/16/ikigai-a-four-circle-mode...
Even if folks are not thinking about doing a project, I still highly recommend this crash course in small business contracts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U
Rule #24: The lawyers Strategic Truth is to never lie, but also avoid voluntarily disclosing information that may help opponents.
Best of luck =3
> If folks expect someone to solve problems for them
In this type of situation, the fundamental issue is that making progress depends on many people acting in unison to increase their bargaining power, which is (a) hard to arrange even if everyone who acted this way would benefit, and (b) actually may be detrimental to some people (usually the high performers).
I agree it is nearly impossible to alter the inertia of existing firms. Most have entrenched process people that defend how things are done right up until a company enters insolvency. Fine if you sell soda or rubber tires, but a death knell for technology or media firms.
In my observations it is usually conditioned fear, personal debt-driven risk aversion, and or failure to even ask if the department above you is really necessary. These days, it is almost always easier to go to another firm if you want a promotion. =3
+1 star for ttul