I think it's a question of degree. For instance, if you grow an acre of corn you kill a few animals right? And you have an acre of corn which would feed a few people for a year.
A cow takes about 10x as much corn per serving of meat, so that's 10x as many critters killed, and then you have to kill the cow.
The creatures that are killed in the field, or on the road or whatever, they are living their little lives eating and screwing and doing all the fun stuff creatures do until they get brained by a tilling disk or whatever.
A cow on the other hand, in a U.S. cafo? I mean if you like wading through your own shit, nose to asshole with all your compatriots, eating food that your GI tract doesn't even like that much so that you can get overweight? No stimulus, no sex, no variance in diet, then you'd love to be a cow.
For me, I just don't want to eat that.
I live around thousands of cows grazing and they seem just as natural as your critters. I'm glad some folks are aware that producing food kills animals. And graziers are consuming grass. I have friends primarily eating Deer & Graziers, so their animal impact is similar to your happy critters.
Cool I live 40 miles downwind from this: https://www.greeleytribune.com/2013/10/31/greeley-based-ag-g...
When there's an up-slope winter breeze I can smell it.
fertilizer smells. it also pollutes water ways.
I'm not trying to be negative. I'm trying to point out that vegans are selective in their complaints.
You're strawmaning here. You can take any cause and point the selectiveness of the "people that care of that cause" by putting them in a bag and choosing the bag arguments to argument with.
Was the conversation above an exception to the rule?
It’s not indeed, however while you’re not trying to be negative, what you say sounds like so: "I’m trying to point X are Y" where Y is a characteristic of most humans and not just X. “pointing” X sounds like that group is more Y than the rest of humans. I don’t know if that’s you’re intent (probably not as you said you’re not trying to be negative), but the pointing sounds like it is. Your previous message pointing that growing plant kill animals sounds the same as most activities kill animals (walking in the woods, driving, probably watching Netflix in some extend…). I know you’re responding to someone coming first with the killing topic but I think that’s not a good faith interpretation of their post: they said much more, and also “even if we don't eliminate it entirely". The "natural" grazers around your place where probably the kind of farming that they propose to not eliminate. Don’t feel attacked, it’s not on you or your friends.
> Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead.