Looks nice but still a bit sad that Flutter is used instead of something native given that they don't need the app to be cross-platform.
Well, even Microsoft uses React Native for a lot of Windows-only apps.
Looks nice but still a bit sad that Flutter is used instead of something native given that they don't need the app to be cross-platform.
Well, even Microsoft uses React Native for a lot of Windows-only apps.
The React Native reason is called C++/WinRT, the teams that internally rioted against C++/CX and came up with C++/WinRT (now in maintenance, go figure), never cared one single second about the Visual Studio experience (using C++/CX was similar to the Delphi/VB like experience from C++ Builder), that everyone else was losing.
Thus React Native is the only alternative left those teams had to have some kind of nice GUI design experience alongside C++/WinRT, when using WinAppSDK, think Qt with QML/C++.
Agree on the Flutter comment.
I'm glad I'm not alone in missing native apps. I get that it's easier to code a note-taking Electron app, but every time I look at a Linux terminal app written in JavaScript it makes me want to cry.
I know I'm beating a dead HN horse here, but how the hell is it possible that megabytes of embedded JavaScript in websites, to the point that LinkedIn uses about half the RAM I had for my first computer loading 32 MB of JavaScript files. Jjira loads 50 (!) MB of javascript, enough to include the uncompressed version of War and Peace 16 times. That's the size of a full installation of the entire Windows 95 operating system. GitLab's static landing page is 13MB of JavaScript, larger than that of Twitter.
What the hell are we doing here? Why can I spin up a 100 MHz, 8MB RAM VM with a hard drive size that's 1/16th of your entry level MacBook's RAM and have apps open immediately? I understand some backsliding as things get more high level, but a website loading 50 megabytes of JavaScript, to me, is like a bright neon sign that screams "something has gone wrong terribly here". Obviously programs, websites and operating systems have become incredibly more complex but your $200 A-series Samsung phone has about 8 cores at 2.2 GHz each. A $200 processor when Windows 95 was released had one core at 0.1GHz. making the processing power about 164x faster. Keep in mind this $200 includes a fully functioning computer in the palm of your hand. The actual CPU part for a midrange phone like the Samsung A15 5G is the Dimension 6100+, which costs all of $25 bucks.
There must be some sort of balance between ease of prototyping, creating and deploying an application without bundling it with Electron or building websites that use tens of megabytes of a scripting language for seemingly nothing. Especially when we can see that a fast, usable website (see this very website or the blogs of many of the people who post here, compared to Reddit for your average medium or substack blog).
How the hell do we fix this? The customers clearly don't want this bloat, companies clearly shouldn't want it either (see research that indicates users exposed to a 200 millisecond load delay on Google, performed 0.2-0.6% fewer searches, and effect that remained even when the artificial delay was removed. This was replicated by Microsoft, Amazon and others. It's frequently brought up that Amazon has said that every 100 milliseconds of page load time cost them 1% in sales, though it's hard to find definitive attribution to this), programmers should hopefully not want to create crappy websites just like mechanics should hopefully not want to install brake pads that squeal every time the user breaks.
This got way longer than the two sentences I expected the post to be, so my apologies.
[1] https://tonsky.me/blog/js-bloat/ [2] Velocity and the Bottom Line, Shurman and Brutlag
> The customers clearly don't want this bloat,
citation needed. the customers clearly want it, for example most programmers chose VS Code over a native app
If there was a vs code native alternative that was parity, that might not be a case. That's apples and oranges
Sublime Text? Sure, doesn't have the long tail of extensions, but surely most people don't need those. The biggest issue with ST being the fact that it costs money...
> The biggest issue with ST
The biggest issue is that it’s not open source.
And we don't want to pay for tools, while expecting to be paid ourselves, rigth?
Zed?
I did not chose VSCode, I only touch it, because there are SDKs whose programmers decided only to support VSCode as Electron fans.
Thus I begrudgingly use VSCode when forced to do so, otherwise I use the IDEs of each OS vendor.