Hm. It shouldn’t be too hard to add something to models to make them do that, right? I guess for that they would need to know the user’s time zone?
Can one typically determine a user’s timezone in JavaScript without getting permissions? I feel like probably yes?
(I’m not imagining something that would strictly cut the user off, just something that would end messages with a suggestion to go to bed, and saying that it will be there in the morning.)
Chatbots already have memory, and mine already knows my schedule and location. It doesn't even need to say anything directly, maybe just shorter replies, less enthusiasm for opening new topics. Letting conversation wind down naturally. I also like the idea of continuing topics in the morning, so if you write down your thoughts/worries, it could say "don't worry about this, we can discuss this next morning".
I know a few people who work 3rd shift. That is people who good reason to be up all night in their local timezone. They all sleep during times when everyone else around them is awake. While this is a small minority, this is enough that your scheme will not work.
I actually was considering those people. That’s part of why I suggested it shouldn’t be a hard cut-off, but just adding to the end of the messages.
Of course, one could add some sort of daily schedule feature thing so that if one has a different sleep schedule, one can specify that, but that would be more work to implement.
It's funny that you frame it that way, because it's the mirror of (IMO) one of their best features. When using one to debug something, you can just stop responding for a bit and it doesn't get impatient like a person might.
I think you're totally right that that's a risk for some people, I just hadn't considered it because I view them in exactly the opposite light.
Claude will routinely tell me to get some sleep and cuddle with my dog. I may mention the time offhandedly or say I'm winding down, but at least it will include conversation stoppers and decrease engagement.
from my (limited) experience of ChatGPT versus Claude, i get the same. ChatGPT will always add another "prompt" sentence at the end like "Do you want me to X?" while Claude just answers what i ask.
looking at my history recently, Claude's most recent response is literally just "Exactly the right move honestly — that's the whole point."
Hm. It shouldn’t be too hard to add something to models to make them do that, right? I guess for that they would need to know the user’s time zone?
Can one typically determine a user’s timezone in JavaScript without getting permissions? I feel like probably yes?
(I’m not imagining something that would strictly cut the user off, just something that would end messages with a suggestion to go to bed, and saying that it will be there in the morning.)
Chatbots already have memory, and mine already knows my schedule and location. It doesn't even need to say anything directly, maybe just shorter replies, less enthusiasm for opening new topics. Letting conversation wind down naturally. I also like the idea of continuing topics in the morning, so if you write down your thoughts/worries, it could say "don't worry about this, we can discuss this next morning".
I know a few people who work 3rd shift. That is people who good reason to be up all night in their local timezone. They all sleep during times when everyone else around them is awake. While this is a small minority, this is enough that your scheme will not work.
I actually was considering those people. That’s part of why I suggested it shouldn’t be a hard cut-off, but just adding to the end of the messages.
Of course, one could add some sort of daily schedule feature thing so that if one has a different sleep schedule, one can specify that, but that would be more work to implement.
It's funny that you frame it that way, because it's the mirror of (IMO) one of their best features. When using one to debug something, you can just stop responding for a bit and it doesn't get impatient like a person might.
I think you're totally right that that's a risk for some people, I just hadn't considered it because I view them in exactly the opposite light.
Claude will routinely tell me to get some sleep and cuddle with my dog. I may mention the time offhandedly or say I'm winding down, but at least it will include conversation stoppers and decrease engagement.
It'll ask if you're eating properly too! It's like a virtual mom! :-P
from my (limited) experience of ChatGPT versus Claude, i get the same. ChatGPT will always add another "prompt" sentence at the end like "Do you want me to X?" while Claude just answers what i ask.
looking at my history recently, Claude's most recent response is literally just "Exactly the right move honestly — that's the whole point."