Tesla and similar companies really make me wonder if we still live in a capitalist system. If wealth is sufficiently concentrated - the value of anything becomes tied to the whims of the few who can transact at that level.

How a stock goes up while sales growth, profitability, and other measures go down on a multi-year trajectory defies my understanding.

> If wealth is sufficiently concentrated - the value of anything becomes tied to the whims of the few who can transact at that level.

Sounds like capitalism to me.

One of the things I’ve noticed is that when leftists say “capitalism” they often mean “the ability of capital to set the rules of markets” rather than just “markets”. This causes people who use the latter interpretation and leftists to talk past one another quite a bit. Which is one of the reasons that leftists have sounded this alarm bell for at least twenty years and no-one has paid attention.

When leftists say "capitalism" they mean something closer to what conservatives and free market libertarians mean by "fascism."

Capitalism is a big money party. Leftists are the party poopers, actually just slightly less drunk than the rest of the guests, and pointing out that lighting up fireworks indoors isn't a good idea. Booo-hooo, shut up lefty! *BANG*

Command economies break too. Capitalism has occasional fires like a forest. This is good. It allows things to shake out. New growth comes from the destruction. Command economies don't. They just continue to grow weeds and tall trees until everything is choked. Then they wonder why everything is garbage.

The US is moving to a fascist economy. That is a form of command economy. For example the FDA is controlled by big pharma.

Capitalism with the ultra-wealthy is functionally the same as a command economy.

Have you ever witnessed any other version of capitalism? Do you believe in the invisible hand of the free market? It's neither invisible nor free

Please read that text. It explicitly calls for reasonable government oversight.

> If wealth is sufficiently concentrated - the value of anything becomes tied to the whims of the few who can transact at that level.

You just described a capitalist system: a system built and controlled by and for those who control the capital.

Same as any other economic system: power is usually concentrated around a very small group of people. In socialism and communism, that concentration typically occurs within the party leadership or central planning apparatus.

However, in free-market capitalism, anyone is allowed to participate in capital formation and accumulation. Ownership is not formally restricted to a political class. Entry into markets is open in principle (unless it stops being a free market), and capital allocation is decentralized through free and voluntary exchange rather than administrative decree.

That does not mean capitalism eliminates power concentration, as Wealth can accumulate and translate into political influence. But the mechanism of power differs: In centrally planned systems, control flows from political authority. In market systems, control flows from voluntary transactions and competitive success.

> anyone is allowed to participate in capital formation and accumulation

In the same sense that nobody is allowed to sleep under a bridge.

I don't follow. Even now there is nothing preventing anyone here from making something for millions of dollars. While VC capital is closed to a select few, a person in a garage can still make it big.

Communist counties tend to gate keep even more. To the point that it is entirely who you know, with little concern to what you do.

> Even now there is nothing preventing anyone here from making something for millions of dollars.

Any one person might. But the system is setup such that's it's almost impossible for everyone to do well.

> Communist counties tend to gate keep even more. To the point that it is entirely who you know, with little concern to what you do.

And in capitalist countries, it's how much money you have. Swings and roundabouts.

> Same as any other economic system

Only if you limit yourself "capitalism" and "communism" as the two economic systems you are are considering. What we should be doing is noticing that these two systems fail in very similar ways (concentration of power in a small group of people), and think about what kind of system might not fail in that way.