> The whole reason why GrapheneOS is superior to its alternative is because they do all that.
What is "its alternative"?
> I also wish they could support non-Google phones, but that's a problem coming from the manufacturers, not from GrapheneOS.
The manufacturers aren't blocking the installing of GrapheneOS...
> What is "its alternative"?
I meant alternativeS, sorry. Well, anything AOSP-based that is not Android.
> The manufacturers aren't blocking the installing of GrapheneOS...
Of course they are not. But they produce hardware that is not secure enough for GrapheneOS to consider. I wish they saw value in GrapheneOS and produced hardware that met their requirements.
It's actually weird, because I'm convinced that it's completely worth it: just add those requirements to the design of one new model, and a potential of hundreds of thousands of people may buy it just for GrapheneOS.
GOS has minimum hardware requirements and most of the available smartphones don't meet them
That's like saying Tulip blocked the installation of Vista because they didn't install enough RAM to run it
The OS makers don't have to go out of their way to support a device they don't want to (that's the beauty of open source passion projects), but it's also not like any manufacturer (that allows bootloader unlocking or ships an unlocked bootloader) is blocking GrapheneOS or anyone else from doing it, which the quote implies in my reading (maybe other people read it differently)
> That's like saying Tulip blocked
I agree, but you are the one who talked about "blocking". I did not :-).
This is a contradiction. There is nothing "minimal" about a requirement that excludes every device but one. Also some people (me) value independence from Google more than the highest degree of security (which relies on Google hardware).
> Also some people (me) value independence from Google more than the highest degree of security (which relies on Google hardware).
The requirements are indeed minimal. I have no problem with your valuing independence from Google, but please don't misrepresent GrapheneOS' requirements as the highest degree of security because not even they have said that. They have actually mentioned wanting to be more involved in the hardware/firmware side to implement more pro-user changes.
They are mostly basic requirements that Android OEMs should be embarrassed not to meet in 2026.
> This is a contradiction. There is nothing "minimal" about a requirement that excludes every device but one.
I don't get your logic. Requirements are a choice. It's very easy to create requirements that exclude every device but one.
Example: "It has to be the Samsung Galaxy S23". Done.
Now you can disagree with those requirements, but that's completely different from saying that the requirements are wrong.
I disagree that such requirements are minimal. Nothing prevents running GrapheneOS on a device with lower requirements. It's a questionable choice by the developers restricting the choice for users.
Aren't requirements defined as the set of minimal constraints that are needed for something to be deemed acceptable by those who define that set?
Again, requirements are not laws of physics. As the author of a project, I am free to make up my own requirements, and when something doesn't meet them, then I am free to reject it because it does not meet my requirements...
If you go to a bank and they refuse to lend you money because you don't meet their requirement, you will have a hard time convincing them that their requirement are wrong and that they should instead replace it with yours :-).
It is not the job of GrapheneOS to lower their standards and deplete their resources supporting every phone under the sun. We already have LineageOS for that. I would rather not be snarky but I don't understand why people keep blaming GrapheneOS instead of the OEMs. Almost every single time.
You are not independent from Google if you purchase an android device from another manufacturer. You're then having your data sent to both Google and that manufacturer, resulting in far worse privacy overall than with just Google, not to mention worse security at hardware level. If you don't want to "support" Google, just buy any used Pixel 6 to 10 series.
I use Librem 5 as a daily driver. It has no dependence on Google.
Sure, you're free to use whatever you want. So am I. I want GrapheneOS :-).