yes, I know, but that doesn't render the entire idea moot. I'm a developer, but I have knowledge of infosec, and I don't do those things. but because some developers do, it shouldn't be done? what kind of logic is that?

everyone who is NOT a developer is now protected by the operating system in a situation like this, and developers that are not, are unprotected by their own hand, instead of being unprotected via the decision of an OS vendor.

By the way, the entire "not protected" situation that you claim developers would put themselves in, is the exact situation that everyone is in today, with very little choice to opt out of that situation.

I want people to opt in to the insecure situation, and opt out of the secure situation, not the reverse, which is the case today. Ransomware can encrypt an entire disk because the OS has no notion that full disk access is bad, or that self-escalation to privileged access should not be granted automatically. MacOS kinda does these things, but not to the point I want to see them done. Not at all.

an OS that isolates everything renders containers completely moot. everything a container does should be provided by default by the operating system, and operating systems that don't provide this should be considered too immature to be useful in any production setting, either by business or by consumers. isolation by default should be table stakes for any OS to even come up for consideration by anyone for any reason.

And you're saying that this shouldn't happen because some developers who don't understand security will make their system look just like wide-open systems today? Come on.

>And you're saying that this shouldn't happen because

You have a strange reversal of causality here.

I'm not saying what should or shouldn't happen.

I am describing what has or has not happened.

I am saying that 'insecure' operating systems dominate the market and can be found everywhere.

I need you to explain to me why secure operating systems are somehow going to get users to move from what they are on to your magical platform?

There is no security police that is writing this secure operating system you're talking about, no one to point guns at them and make people use it. No long line of volunteers open sourcing code to make this secure operating system either.

You're describing an OUGHT, I'm describing an IS.