Are you suggesting that the fact that I wrote it in 2015 somehow makes it 'dated'?
I could update it but I think the fact that it was written before Trump I actually makes it more powerful than less, and you're welcome to extrapolate from 2015 to 2026 and see where it's headed.
Are you suggesting that they're suggesting anything beyond what date this was written on, since we usually point that out in almost every article that has not been written in the current year for a variety of reason, including "oh, yeah, I remember I already read this without even clicking, it's not new, I might as well go read the comments directly"?
My apologies, I assumed that since you've been a user for a while you were aware of the reason for such a comment and the practice of indicating the post year in the submission titles.
NP, I considered adding it but then again, I know HN tends to interpret that as 'old news' and in this case it is anything but. The rules are there for a reason, even so these are strange times and I figure the more people are aware of this the better.
I could have updated the post date but I would have considered that cheating so I purposefully posted it as it was but left out the date.
But don't worry, it'll get flagged off the homepage soon enough because way too many people find this sort of thing uncomfortable.
That's why I'm asking a question. For me the difference between then and now is then, 2015 it was still a thing that I saw hanging in the future, the OPM hack is what prompted me to write this. But if I had not written this then I would probably be writing it today on account of the ICE article currently on the front page.
All of those big tech companies have willingly given in to Trump and his band of goons and are cooperating at a scale that dwarfs anything the Germans could have ever wished for. The article shows the damage that one single field in one single file could do. Now multiply that by a couple of 1000.
The potential for an epic disaster is definitely there and even HN is apparently not immune to having its share of bootlickers and bootwearers.
you reference an ICE article "currently" on the front page, I think this comment would benefit from an explicit link to that discussion since it is ephemeral and I am unable to make sure I find the right one.
It's an observed fact and I honestly don't care what anybody thinks of that. It should be pretty clear that I think that seeing such excesses requires one to take a stance rather than just to pretend it isn't happening.
> All of those big tech companies have willingly given in to Trump and his band of goons and are cooperating at a scale that dwarfs anything the Germans could have ever wished for.
This is dangerously ahistorical and an offensive trivialization of the scale of human suffering inflicted by the Nazi regime. Fascism as practiced by the NSDAP involved the total integration of the state, the legal system, industry, media, and civil society into a single coercive apparatus in service of a genocidal war. German corporations were not “cooperating”; they were subordinated, aligned, and legally compelled within a one-party totalitarian state.
Yes, we substantially disagree on a contentious policy question. That does not change historical fact, nor does it make claims like “dwarfs anything the Germans could have wished for” anything other than profound historical illiteracy.
FWiW I come from a large extended family that racked up a lot of time on the pointy end of much of this; Desert Rats, Japanese PoW camps, jungle fighting, and a good deal of the post WWII ground work.
So I really do have to ask you, when you spoke of:
> The problem is the repeated use of Nazi analogies and grossly inflammatory language,
What, exactly, is up with the current US administration, Trump, Miller, clear throws to Blood Tribe language, veiled messages of racial purity and all that .. is it all "just a joke" ?
The early moves of both Stalin and Hitler, before either became the world villians we all know, was to extend their borders within their own countries so that they could sidestep "the law" of the land with their own personal squads of intesticial vagueness.
The administration is unquestionably veering unilateral and authoritarian and can no longer be trusted by allies.
Let's just stipulate everything you said is true. You do realize that the subordination of German corporations validates the quote you're ostensibly arguing against? Given your framing, German fascists would have loved the scale of cooperation that the American fascist executive branch is receiving from corporations, rather than have to do the difficult work of subordinating them.
The German population[1] was not unwilling; your error is not recognizing that it started with cooperation and grew until all of society was subordinated to the totalitarian state.
There was massive alignment across their society. What they “achieved” would not have been possible any other way.
As someone that abhors the destructive ideologies of that era — and has spent a considerable amount of time studying the history — it’s amusing ironic to be repeatedly compared to the predominant fascist ideology (not that you personally have done this) by people echoing the behavior of the predominate destructive left-wing ideology of the day.
From a historical perspective, it’s not the right-wing that I’m worried about now. I worry about the totalizing, agency-eroding, violence normalizing, and norm-enforcing (thought terminating) “ethics” that have taken firm hold of the left’s levers of power over the past 15 years.
[1] except for the German populations that they literally wanted to murder, of course.
I definitely have worries about far-left capture if/when a power vacuum occurs after the current fascist executive and semi-fascist legislative experience the whiplash of Americans finally pushing back. But you know what? I'll start focusing on that when we get closer to that reality. It's the fascists currently in power that deserve our focus. And you seem to be willing to carry water for them. I assume you don't see it that way, but that's hard to square with some of your other comments.
Not at all! Perhaps I’m mistaken, but my understanding was that anything not recent should get a year tag in the title (at least that’s the pattern I’ve recognized).
2015, but arguably more relevant today than ever before.
Are you suggesting that the fact that I wrote it in 2015 somehow makes it 'dated'?
I could update it but I think the fact that it was written before Trump I actually makes it more powerful than less, and you're welcome to extrapolate from 2015 to 2026 and see where it's headed.
Are you suggesting that they're suggesting anything beyond what date this was written on, since we usually point that out in almost every article that has not been written in the current year for a variety of reason, including "oh, yeah, I remember I already read this without even clicking, it's not new, I might as well go read the comments directly"?
No, I'm not, hence the question.
My apologies, I assumed that since you've been a user for a while you were aware of the reason for such a comment and the practice of indicating the post year in the submission titles.
No hard feelings, I hope.
'For a while' indeed :)
Adding a date for older articles and posts is a very common HN convention
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46896376
ideally it should be in the submitted title, if not often someone will post it as above .. and later a mod might add it.
No biggie, as they say.
Of course I was completely unaware of that...
Yeah, TBH, I figured you knew ... I'm juggling a few things and probably put this general note in where it wasn't needed. Pax.
NP, I considered adding it but then again, I know HN tends to interpret that as 'old news' and in this case it is anything but. The rules are there for a reason, even so these are strange times and I figure the more people are aware of this the better.
I could have updated the post date but I would have considered that cheating so I purposefully posted it as it was but left out the date.
But don't worry, it'll get flagged off the homepage soon enough because way too many people find this sort of thing uncomfortable.
FWIW, you aren't alone man. Stay strong.
Isn’t it just an hn convention?
I agree with your comment I’m replying to completely, but the date tag doesn’t have to be an indictment (as you yourself suggest)
That's why I'm asking a question. For me the difference between then and now is then, 2015 it was still a thing that I saw hanging in the future, the OPM hack is what prompted me to write this. But if I had not written this then I would probably be writing it today on account of the ICE article currently on the front page.
All of those big tech companies have willingly given in to Trump and his band of goons and are cooperating at a scale that dwarfs anything the Germans could have ever wished for. The article shows the damage that one single field in one single file could do. Now multiply that by a couple of 1000.
The potential for an epic disaster is definitely there and even HN is apparently not immune to having its share of bootlickers and bootwearers.
you reference an ICE article "currently" on the front page, I think this comment would benefit from an explicit link to that discussion since it is ephemeral and I am unable to make sure I find the right one.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46895860
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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
To cast the entire HN community as composed of {X} would be against the guidelines.
To deny that the HN community contains some {X} would be blinkered.
No, I'm perfectly fine with writing what I wrote.
It's an observed fact and I honestly don't care what anybody thinks of that. It should be pretty clear that I think that seeing such excesses requires one to take a stance rather than just to pretend it isn't happening.
As you wish.
> All of those big tech companies have willingly given in to Trump and his band of goons and are cooperating at a scale that dwarfs anything the Germans could have ever wished for.
This is dangerously ahistorical and an offensive trivialization of the scale of human suffering inflicted by the Nazi regime. Fascism as practiced by the NSDAP involved the total integration of the state, the legal system, industry, media, and civil society into a single coercive apparatus in service of a genocidal war. German corporations were not “cooperating”; they were subordinated, aligned, and legally compelled within a one-party totalitarian state.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46897035
Yes, we substantially disagree on a contentious policy question. That does not change historical fact, nor does it make claims like “dwarfs anything the Germans could have wished for” anything other than profound historical illiteracy.
FWiW I come from a large extended family that racked up a lot of time on the pointy end of much of this; Desert Rats, Japanese PoW camps, jungle fighting, and a good deal of the post WWII ground work.
So I really do have to ask you, when you spoke of:
> The problem is the repeated use of Nazi analogies and grossly inflammatory language,
What, exactly, is up with the current US administration, Trump, Miller, clear throws to Blood Tribe language, veiled messages of racial purity and all that .. is it all "just a joke" ?
The early moves of both Stalin and Hitler, before either became the world villians we all know, was to extend their borders within their own countries so that they could sidestep "the law" of the land with their own personal squads of intesticial vagueness.
The administration is unquestionably veering unilateral and authoritarian and can no longer be trusted by allies.
Let's just stipulate everything you said is true. You do realize that the subordination of German corporations validates the quote you're ostensibly arguing against? Given your framing, German fascists would have loved the scale of cooperation that the American fascist executive branch is receiving from corporations, rather than have to do the difficult work of subordinating them.
The German population[1] was not unwilling; your error is not recognizing that it started with cooperation and grew until all of society was subordinated to the totalitarian state.
There was massive alignment across their society. What they “achieved” would not have been possible any other way.
As someone that abhors the destructive ideologies of that era — and has spent a considerable amount of time studying the history — it’s amusing ironic to be repeatedly compared to the predominant fascist ideology (not that you personally have done this) by people echoing the behavior of the predominate destructive left-wing ideology of the day.
From a historical perspective, it’s not the right-wing that I’m worried about now. I worry about the totalizing, agency-eroding, violence normalizing, and norm-enforcing (thought terminating) “ethics” that have taken firm hold of the left’s levers of power over the past 15 years.
[1] except for the German populations that they literally wanted to murder, of course.
I definitely have worries about far-left capture if/when a power vacuum occurs after the current fascist executive and semi-fascist legislative experience the whiplash of Americans finally pushing back. But you know what? I'll start focusing on that when we get closer to that reality. It's the fascists currently in power that deserve our focus. And you seem to be willing to carry water for them. I assume you don't see it that way, but that's hard to square with some of your other comments.
Not at all! Perhaps I’m mistaken, but my understanding was that anything not recent should get a year tag in the title (at least that’s the pattern I’ve recognized).
You're not mistaken, but that wasn't an accident.
C'mon, you know it's convention to write the year of publication in a title. No agenda beyond that.
You think this is about Trump, it's happening worldwide.