Are you aware of the current efforts by researchers on Bluesky to build a new researchers platform on ATProto? (Forget the project name at the moment)
If not, same handle over there, I can get you in touch with them. Or hit up Boris, he knows everyone and is happy to make connections
There's also a full day at the upcoming conference on ATProto & scientific related things. I think they com on discourse more (?)
Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?
Disclaimer: i'm rather hostile to ATProto for reinventing the wheel without bringing much value over AP/XMPP/Matrix.
I don't think that's a fair characterization. Most AP implementations famously don't have privacy features: it was by design (and therefore no surprise to us tech folks), but i remember it was quite the scandal when users found out Mastodon instance admins could read users' private messages. A later "scandal" involved participation in the EUNOMIA research project about "provenance tracking" in federated networks [1], which to be fair to conspiracy theorists does sound like an academic front for NSA-style firehose R&D.
That being said, Bluesky is much harder to selfhost and is therefore not decentralized in practice. [2] See also Blacksky development notes. However, Bluesky does bring a very interesting piece to the puzzle which AP carefully ignored despite years of research in AP-adjacent protocols (such as Hubzilla): account portability.
All in all, i'm still siding on the ActivityPub ecosystem because i think it's much more ethical and friendly in all regards, and i'm really sad so many so-called journalists, researchers and leftists jumped ship to Bluesky just because the attraction of "Twitter reborn" (with the same startup nation vibes) was too strong. At least in my circles, i did not meet a single person who mentioned the choice of Bluesky was about UX or features.
But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community. Much more so than AP. And to be fair to ATProto, it is worse than AP from a centralization standpoint, but at least it's not as bad and complex as the matrix protocol which brought 0 value over AP/XMPP but made implementations 100x more complex and resource-intensive.
[1] https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/825171/reporting
[2] https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/
> But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community.
I build in the ATmosphere because I want to effect change. AP was hostile, Nostr is for crypto bros. The @dev community is one of the strongest pieces and attractors
One way I like to think about how the protocol is different is that they made a giant event system for the public content and then let anyone plug in anywhere they want
https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers
That's what the haters proclaim, it's from a position of bias and/or jealousy
ATProtocol made a decision, based on the other protocols, to put more emphasis on user experience. If you want to build a new social media fabric for everyone, they have to want to use it. AP / Nostr have UX that will never appeal to the masses.
Yes. Nostr and ActivityPub are so easy too, I don't see much advantage to ATProto and so many disadvantages. It's as decentralized as a meme coin, just waiting for the rug pull.
To me something git-like with a peer review UI (a la pull requests) seems far more natural for distributed academic publications than a social media protocol though.
So I briefly touched on this in the blog post, but to expand a little... ATProto provides significantly more "batteries included" than ActivityPub in my view - if you use ATProto, it can handle both authentication and identity management, and effectively act as your back-end and CRUD operations (eg, oauth with your PDS, and then write/read from the network for your object creation based on your Lexicon).
ActivityPub, based on my understanding, really doesn't work like that - while you an oauth with your mastodon account, the expectation is you'll be handling identity and back-end bits, and then sharing events across the network (happy to be corrected).
Part of what kicked this off is seeing ATProto's new devrel person at a meetup and finding their vision pretty compelling.
But yes, ActivityPub is more "robust" and decentralised (hence also jankier)
https://andreasthinks.me/posts/octosphere/octosphere.html
It's for more than publishing, it's for science, which involves people collaborating and communicating
Ooh no, please do, but would love to hear more!
Go chime in and share your work here: https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...
That'll get us connected off HN
I think Cosmik is the group I was thinking of that has also put out some initial poc like yourself
id also be curious to follow this if you have any links or resources
This is probably a good jumping off point
https://discourse.atprotocol.community/t/about-the-atproto-s...